15:03:52 #startmeeting oVirt Weekly Sync 15:03:52 Meeting started Wed Nov 20 15:03:52 2013 UTC. The chair is doron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:03:52 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:03:53 hi 15:03:53 #topic Agenda and roll Call 15:03:57 * orc_orc is here 15:04:00 * sbonazzo here 15:04:04 * jb_netapp here 15:04:04 * amureini here 15:04:05 * ecohen here 15:04:12 * sahina here 15:04:20 is it possible to make a qcow2 image from a ovirt template? 15:04:33 * ofrenkel here 15:04:48 #info 3.3 update releases 15:04:49 #info 3.4 planning 15:04:51 #info conferences and workshops 15:04:52 #info infra update 15:04:53 * lvernia here 15:04:54 #info other topics 15:05:05 ybronhei: here for infra? 15:05:13 yes 15:05:19 thanks 15:05:21 ok 15:05:23 let's start 15:05:45 #topic Agenda 3.3 update releases 15:05:53 sbonazzo: updates on 3.3? 15:06:10 * mskrivanek here 15:06:13 doron: waiting for -sdk and -cli on EL6 for releasing 3.3.1 15:06:36 mpastern: any updates?\ 15:06:37 doron: 3.3.2 branching and beta build targeted for Nov 27th 15:07:24 oliel: mpastern any updates on sdk and cli? 15:08:52 sbonazzo: can you mail them ofr answers after the meeting? 15:09:06 doron: already sent an email to mpastern 15:09:18 sbonazzo: when was it? 15:09:22 mskrivanek: well editing the console.vv changing the hostname to the ip it worked 15:09:40 bazulay: are you aware of it? 15:10:14 doron: im replacing bazulay 15:10:34 ybronhei: please contact mpastern or oliel to see what's the problem. 15:10:36 dgilmore: ah, then yes:) you should have the option to override the IPs if you want (it's an IP override per host, under Hosts tab, edit host) 15:10:37 doron: reminder sent ~30 minutes ago. mburns asked about them a few days ago 15:10:46 sbonazzo: thanks 15:11:07 ybronhei: this is delaying 3.3.1 EL6 release. 15:11:34 #info ybronhei to get answers on cli and sdk 15:11:49 sbonazzo: other than that anything else? 15:12:19 doron: no, any blocker for 3.3.1, so no other sotppers for releasing it 15:12:47 #info 3.3.1 release awaiting sdk and cli. Once ready it'll be released. 15:12:51 thanks 15:12:56 moving on 15:13:06 #info 3.4 planning 15:13:13 doron: 3.3.2 branching and beta build targeted for Nov 27th 15:13:13 Hi all 15:13:35 sbonazzo: le's note that 15:13:46 #info 3.3.2 branching and beta build targeted for Nov 27th 15:14:13 #topic Agenda 3.4 planning 15:14:49 I'm going to go over the spreadshit now 15:15:02 *ahem* 15:15:08 spreadsheet, you mean? :-) 15:15:19 spreadsheet 15:15:19 thanks dneary 15:15:33 doron, is there some fancy protection there? I tried updating it a couple of hours ago and could not 15:15:42 amureini: not supposed to be. 15:15:48 maybe you were offline or something. 15:16:00 doron, URL for the spreadsheet? 15:16:04 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuAtmJW_VMCRdHJ6N1M3d1F1UTJTS1dSMnZwMF9XWVE&usp=sharing#gid=0 15:16:13 let's start with gluster 15:16:18 dneary: http://bit.ly/17qBn6F 15:16:21 itamar, was fetching form gerrit at the same time, don't that that was the issue :-) 15:16:22 who's here for gluster? 15:16:35 that would be me 15:16:44 sahina: hi 15:16:53 amureini: offline as far as googledoc is concerned. did you try to refresh the browser? 15:17:07 3 features with devel owner. 15:17:30 sahina: are you dropping the 4th? 15:17:36 doron - the 4th one will not make it in the dec timeframe. have struck it off 15:17:52 i will delete the row 15:17:55 sahina: thanks. What about testing owner? 15:18:32 doron: will add test owner and feature pages later 15:18:45 sahina: very well. 15:18:53 doron: i think devel owner is critical for this round. items without devel owner I'll move to another sheet. then we can review for testing owners in another cycle on the remaining items 15:19:25 #info gluster has 3 features for 3.4. Will be updated later on for additional info. 15:19:45 moving next to infra. ybronhei? 15:20:04 yes, oliel is here with us 15:20:21 ybronhei: other than reporting/DWH no infra features for infra? 15:20:27 about 3.4 feature, all as planed 15:20:40 sorry I ma late 15:20:43 doron: hello 15:20:48 ybronhei: we need a devel owner in the document 15:20:51 hi knesenko 15:21:04 #chair knesenko 15:21:22 no, we also introducing the snmp feature and authentication refactoring 15:21:23 knesenko: note that I already started. 15:21:45 doron: on which? bazulay just updated it 15:22:16 ybronhei: take a look: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuAtmJW_VMCRdHJ6N1M3d1F1UTJTS1dSMnZwMF9XWVE&usp=sharing#gid=0 15:22:30 seeing that, only the snmp is left without an owner 15:22:45 we'll update it 15:23:16 ybronhei: lines 6 to 25, most of them missindg dvel owner. 15:23:22 Please update asap. 15:24:02 only 13-16 are relevant 15:24:28 ybronhei: everything else should be removed? 15:24:36 yes 15:24:49 I'll ask barak to update 15:25:06 #info infra committing to lines 13-16 in the spreadsheet. 15:25:10 moving on 15:25:25 integration. Who covers for it? 15:25:36 doron: me 15:25:53 sbonazzo: looks like you're all set. 4 features? 15:25:59 doron: line numbers will change at end of this call as I'll move all lines without a devel owner to another sheet. 15:26:16 itamar: very well. 15:26:17 doron: yes, I hope we'll be able to implement all of them. 15:26:25 sbonazzo: very well. 15:26:45 doron: itamar: so only the highlights 15:26:58 #info integration committing to 4 features for 3.4. 15:27:14 ybronhei: one of them missing devel owner 15:27:19 ybronhei: please do not highlight. 15:27:41 I know, should be mtayer but I'm not sure. I'll check that and update 15:27:43 just make sure there is a devel owner 15:27:50 k 15:28:06 moving on to network 15:28:12 doron: Yep. 15:28:14 lvernia: how are we doing? 15:28:40 lvernia: ~5 features with devel owners 15:28:49 doron: Yeah, those are the ones we can commit on. 15:29:04 doron: NIC ordering we're looking into. 15:29:15 lvernia: you do have: before/after_setup_network hooks and per-network custom properties Design 15:29:26 ie0 missing owner 15:29:32 no commitment here 15:29:35 I am afraid 15:29:36 doron: It has gotten a lot of complaints lately, but we're not sure we can fix it well for 3.4. 15:29:50 doron: I was referring to NIC ordering there. 15:30:04 lvernia: danken please remove / update the status so it will be clear. 15:30:04 doron: Hooks, as danken said. 15:30:36 doron: no owner = no commitment. 15:30:37 lvernia: as long as it has an owner we should be fine. 15:30:48 you can decide later on that it will not make it. 15:31:52 so lvernia just add the current reviewer as the owner to make sure we do not loose this feature now. 15:31:57 ok? 15:32:09 doron: You're referring to hooks? 15:32:13 doron: Or NIC ordering? 15:32:21 lvernia: nic ordering 15:32:28 doron: Alright, updated. 15:32:40 thanks 15:32:54 Sure. 15:33:00 #info network team set for 3.4 with 6 features. 15:33:04 as to networking I see in the wiki: http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Node_ipv6_support and http://www.ovirt.org/Features/IPv6_support ... but they are not in the gogle spreadsheet. I am interested in ipv6 matters as we use it much locally 15:33:27 orc_orc: we are working on this 15:33:32 but we cannot commit 15:33:44 not enough capacity, I am afraid 15:33:50 fabiand: here? 15:33:56 doron, here! 15:34:02 fabiand: hi. 15:34:14 Regarding IPv6? 15:34:16 current document has ovirt-node-registration - a generic node registration 15:34:26 doron, yes 15:34:34 fabiand: and missing devel owner 15:34:35 but I'd love to have your help testing migration/storage/display over ipv6 in vdsm, to see if we can safely climb the feature into Engine. 15:34:59 fabiand: can you make sure this is updated? 15:35:19 doron, I don't have/want a google account 15:35:28 But I'm happy to own that feature 15:35:37 fabiand: ok. 15:36:01 Hi all 15:36:02 sbonazzo: can you please update it for fabiand? 15:36:06 I'm using ovirt 3.2 15:36:09 danken, yeah - I'd also really like to see some focus on IPv& and to push it a bit .. 15:36:14 doron: which line? 15:36:27 I've destroyed a storage domain, I would to re-use it 15:36:28 sbonazzo: line 40 15:36:36 doron, sbonazzo thanks! 15:36:38 fabiand: anything esle for node? 15:36:39 How I can do? 15:36:47 (else) 15:37:06 doron, justa sec - I sent out a list to itamar 15:37:09 * fabiand looks it up 15:37:32 orc_orc: any issues with using IPv6 with regular hosts rather than ovirt-node? 15:37:33 ... we use the radvd and its autoconfiguration locally and it was almost drop in easy, compared to getting a dhcp-ipv6 server running and manageable as we wished 15:37:45 I would encourage starting with the radvd 15:38:09 fabiand: just make sure it is updated in the spreadsheet. ok? 15:38:17 I will get on those wiki pages this week, and see about suggestions 15:38:18 doron, We'll be working on OpenVSwitch support within the 3.4 cycle 15:38:22 doron, ok 15:38:31 Traktopel: next time, delete it rather than destroy, so it will be cleaned up. you need to clean it up to re-use it. for nfs - delete the files. for block, dd /dev/zero on its begining 15:38:35 fabiand: thanks, do not forget the devel owner. 15:38:40 there are other features planned as well, but they might not touch Engine to much 15:38:41 yep 15:38:50 Traktopel: (carefully) 15:39:01 #info node to update the document for 3.4 features. 15:39:14 moving next to other 15:39:28 we have 2 features here wth no devel owner: 15:39:35 Zabbix monitoring 15:39:37 itamar, I did 15:39:39 fabiand: do you plan to align node feature freeze to late december / release with 3.4 after january stabilization (maybe february on blockers) 15:39:42 dd (luns are iscsi 15:39:44 ) 15:39:47 and can't set different keymap for vnc via runonce option 15:40:09 doron: i thought i saw someone mentioning zabbiz on users mailing list earlier this week. 15:40:18 Now I view this lun free, but when I try to add a new storage domain that lun is shadowed and I can't select it 15:40:24 Is anyone going to cover for zabbiz? 15:40:31 itamar, basically yes. 15:40:53 fabiand: zabbiz? 15:41:13 zabbix isn't node. 15:41:13 http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/users/2013-November/017946.html 15:41:28 it's "other". 15:42:09 and the next one was other, but should have been virt - i moved it. 15:42:37 so need to ping Sander Grendelman if he is taking devel owner of zabbix. 15:42:56 itamar: very well. so I'll mail him after the meeting. 15:43:31 #info doron to mail Sander Grendelman about zabbix 15:43:57 moving to PPC. 15:44:02 who's here for PPC? 15:44:48 Well they did all the work, so we'll take it as their commitment for 3.4. 15:45:04 yes most ppc changes posted already 15:45:06 some merged 15:45:34 and there are clear devel owners on these. 15:45:48 # PPC has 13 features for 3.4. Some already ,erged. 15:45:53 # PPC has 13 features for 3.4. Some already merged. 15:45:57 info# PPC has 13 features for 3.4. Some already merged. 15:46:03 #info PPC has 13 features for 3.4. Some already merged. 15:46:09 finally... 15:46:23 Moving next to SLA 15:46:36 * doron here for SLA 15:46:45 no one for sla ;) 15:46:50 We're going to handle 4 of the suggested features. 15:47:05 Others will be best effort. 15:47:25 #info SLA team set for 4 features in 3.4. 15:47:36 Moving next to storage. 15:47:39 amureini: here? 15:47:44 doron, yup 15:48:10 amureini: you have ~16 features in the list. none with devel owner. 15:48:15 doron, spreedshit is under-updated, can't seem to get the thing to work 15:48:30 will handle the technicalities of the sheet later, though 15:48:32 anyway... 15:48:42 commitments: equlogic (sergey) 15:48:45 amureini: what are you planning to implement for 3.4 from the given list? 15:49:53 equalogic (see above); test suite; some improvemen regarding OVFs, backup, DR - need to fully design, some requirements contradict each other; drop storage type form pool 15:49:59 doron, ^^^ 15:50:33 amureini: is test suit on the sheet? 15:50:38 amureini: which line is equlogic? 15:50:40 itamar, yes 15:50:49 itamar, suggested by Dan 75 15:50:51 amureini: let's do it simpler 15:50:54 line 61? 15:51:11 doron, re Zabbix, I believe Rene Koch expressed an interest 15:51:17 doron, line 69 (equlogic) 15:51:19 amureini: owner for test suite? 15:51:24 dneary: thanks. will mail them offline. 15:51:52 dneary: http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/users/2013-November/017946.html - rene talked with sander who started working on it iirc 15:51:52 amureini: thanks, line 61? 15:51:59 doron, line 61 - depends on the direction we'll take with OVF storing - they're intertwined. Can't commit on 3.4 for now. 15:52:10 itamar, re: test suite owner - vvolansk 15:52:19 amureini: very well. 62? 15:52:27 (live merge)? 15:52:40 amureini: did you request permission to edit the googledoc via the googledoc? 15:52:59 doron, work probably, no commitment for 3.4. 15:53:11 amureini: live merge is *not* in 3.4 15:53:26 amureini: very well. note that these will be removed from the version. 15:53:33 abaron, doron even better `-) 15:53:49 amureini: resize a storage domain lun? 15:54:04 doron: nope 15:54:15 abaron: thanks. multiple storage domains (local/gluster/FC)? 15:54:32 doron: mixing domain types? 15:54:53 abaron: check line64 15:55:39 doron: no added info beyond what you wrote. Itamar, is this mixing domain types in same DC? 15:56:04 abaron: amureini I'll move on to ux and virt, then get back to finalize it with you. 15:56:13 doron: why? 15:56:26 abaron: ux and virt are ready 15:56:33 abaron: checking... 15:56:35 65-67: out 15:56:42 68: in 15:56:58 abaron: who's the devel owner for 68? 15:57:09 liron 15:57:20 69: Sergey 15:57:27 70: out 15:57:43 71: not a storage feature 15:57:57 72: out 15:58:03 73: in 15:58:09 abaron: owner? 15:58:22 fsimonce 15:58:41 74: another one lacking info 15:58:59 abaron: I'll take that as a no. 15:59:15 probably, I have no idea what that is 15:59:17 abaron: that's the same as nic ordering, just for disks 15:59:26 boot order? 15:59:45 itamar: ^^^ 15:59:58 abaron, ? 16:00:07 ah ok 16:00:09 abaron: no, device ordering. 16:00:22 ie- keeping the device name, etc. 16:00:29 no. order of disks as they appear in the guest. both these requests come from users request on the thread on users@ovirt.org 16:00:42 itamar: in nic ordering we also have the problem of in-guest name 16:01:00 ah, suggest to libvirt the name of the disk according to external order 16:01:01 not only boot order 16:01:14 danken: this was supposed to be handld by addresses 16:01:15 doron: out 16:01:26 abaron: 75? 16:01:31 yes, out 16:01:35 doron: which address: pci, or mac? 16:01:46 76: no idea what that means either 16:01:50 abaron: 75 has vered as owner 16:01:50 doron: old guest care only about mac. 16:02:05 danken: how old? 16:02:05 doron: sorry, 74 16:02:12 abaron: k. 76? 16:02:19 no idea what that is 16:02:26 also missing: read only disks 16:02:48 before biosdevname. I think it's abaron: owner for read only? 16:03:12 doron, abaron: also missing: single disk snapshots 16:03:27 amureini: ack 16:03:52 abaron: owner for both new? 16:04:04 read only - sergey 16:04:11 single disk snapshot - derez 16:04:28 abaron: anything else? 16:04:58 nope 16:05:02 thanks 16:05:21 #info storage team ready with 6 features for 3.4. 16:05:28 moving on to ux. 16:05:30 ecohen: ? 16:05:33 doron, here. 16:05:41 ecohen: you look all set. 16:05:45 any updates? 16:05:59 doron, not really. all in the spreadsheet. 16:06:16 ecohen: very well, thanks for being prepared. 16:06:20 doron, np 16:06:38 #info us all set with 8 features for 3.4. 16:06:42 moving on to virt 16:06:46 mskrivanek: ? 16:06:47 us, but also ux :) 16:07:00 #info ux all set with 8 features for 3.4. 16:07:03 sorry. 16:07:06 doron, :) 16:07:19 mskrivanek: ofrenkel here for virt? 16:07:50 doron, im here but mskrivanek have the info 16:08:06 ofrenkel: thanks. 16:08:13 mskrivanek: here? 16:08:19 most stuff has owners already 16:08:37 ofrenkel: yes, the question is if there are updates 16:08:43 as many are missing owners. 16:09:13 sorry i dont have info about those that are missing 16:09:45 owners are committed, missing owners are likely out 16:09:51 doron: ^^ 16:09:55 mskrivanek: ~15 features have wner. 16:09:59 (owners) 16:10:00 abaron: multiple storage domains - yes, in same DC. http://www.mail-archive.com/users@ovirt.org/msg10230.html 16:10:03 no updates? 16:10:30 doron: yes, that's correct 16:10:40 mskrivanek: very well, thanks. 16:10:54 #info virt team ready with 15 features for 3.4. 16:11:10 t;s it for 3.4. 16:11:11 itamar: so multiple storage domains work will start, but no guarantee of convergence in time for 3.4 16:11:12 doron: sorry, got caught in local discussions 16:11:13 and that's it for 3.4. 16:11:37 andone who want to add / remove osomething from 3.4? 16:11:39 abaron: ok, so write an owner please for it for tracking. 16:11:40 doron: yes. don't have most of the BZs yet 16:11:43 itamar: and regardless no way of mixing local with other types for now 16:11:50 owner: Tal 16:11:58 mskrivanek:please update later on. 16:12:01 abaron: so specify that in the feature name... 16:12:10 doron: yep 16:12:44 ok guys, 16:12:48 moving on 16:13:12 #topic agenda conferences and workshops 16:13:21 dneary: updates? 16:14:03 doron, Updates: Einav Cohen represented us at LISA in Washington DC 16:14:32 #info Einav Cohen represented us at LISA in Washington DC 16:14:41 We're waiting for word back from FOSDEM about an oVirt stand 16:15:02 I need to plan a board meeting for the month of December 16:15:18 SFP deadline for FOSDEM? 16:15:22 (CFP) 16:15:46 I believe the virt & IaaS devroom that myself, Itamar and some others are managing is Dec 1st 16:15:56 I sent an email about it earlier 16:16:29 #info CFP deadline for virt & IaaS devroom is December 1st. 16:16:30 For the board meeting, I want to plan it for December 16th 16:16:38 (that week, I mean) 16:17:01 #info board meeting needed in the week of December 16th. 16:17:22 dneary: thanks. anything else? 16:17:30 One other thing 16:18:01 A new person will be starting on our team, concentrating on oVirt, from December 2nd 16:18:11 I'll let him introduce himself when he joins 16:18:34 dneary: that's good news. 16:18:42 Yes, I think so too 16:18:45 we'll wait for him for the formal introduction. 16:19:11 (of course, you shouldn't be too enthusiastic, or I will take it badly ;-) ) 16:19:22 "Oh, things were horrible before you joined" 16:19:45 That's it for now 16:19:47 #info new member from Dave's team joining on December 2nd. 16:19:56 thanks Dave. 16:20:01 moving on. 16:20:13 May I ask, do we have release notes for the 3.3.1 release? I haven't seen a list of features & bug fixes yet 16:20:40 dneary: http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_3.3.1_release_notes 16:20:47 dneary: I believe sbonazzo published it. 16:20:54 #topic infra update 16:21:11 dcaro_: here? 16:21:36 anyone else for ifra updates? 16:21:42 sbonazzo, Thanks! 16:22:14 sbonazzo: any idea on infra status? 16:22:18 doron: I'm around 16:22:26 http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2013/ovirt.2013-11-18-15.02.html 16:22:29 dcaro_: hi 16:22:31 was the needing 16:22:35 meeting 16:22:48 it is blocked a lot on the rackspace slow resolution 16:23:19 orc_orc: who's handling it? 16:23:34 doron: me and knesenko 16:23:48 dcaro_: can we escalate it? 16:24:52 doron: It has been moved, got the green light for the firewall changes but a new issue arised 16:25:05 doron, sbonazzo: Is the release now official? I didn't see an announcement email yet 16:25:19 dneary: not yet 16:25:28 dneary: awaiting sdk and cli 16:25:59 dcaro_: so who is handling it? 16:26:19 doron: right now is on rackspace side 16:26:39 doron, OK, awesome. Thanks 16:26:52 dcaro_: let's see how it evolves this week, to see if escalation needed. 16:27:17 dcaro_: anything else? 16:27:44 doron: we have some new stats for the resources page, like rpm and iso downloads :) 16:28:04 http://stats.ovirt.org/resources.ovirt.org/2013/11/ 16:28:12 ecohen: cool! who is updating it? 16:28:32 dcaro_: I was thinking that the traffic was log enough that adding hostname lookups might make sense for better log readibility 16:28:40 alternative would be to postprocess it is 16:28:48 #info followup next week for rackspace issue 16:28:50 low* 16:29:16 doron, (sorry - did I miss something?) 16:29:20 #info new stats available here: http://stats.ovirt.org/resources.ovirt.org/2013/11/ 16:29:24 ecohen: no. 16:29:36 dcaro_: thanks 16:29:39 doron, ok, thanks. 16:29:39 moving on 16:29:42 orc_orc: I prefer postprocessed, just in case xd 16:29:52 #topic http://stats.ovirt.org/resources.ovirt.org/2013/11/ 16:30:15 #topic other topics 16:30:25 anyone wants to raise something? 16:30:58 I'll take that as a no. 16:31:07 going once 16:31:16 going twice... 16:31:19 thanks everyone 16:31:33 #endmeeting