15:04:30 <ewoud> #startmeeting ovirt infra weekly 15:04:30 <ovirtbot> Meeting started Mon Feb 18 15:04:30 2013 UTC. The chair is ewoud. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:04:30 <ovirtbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:04:41 <ewoud> #chair Rydekull quaid dneary 15:04:41 <ovirtbot> Current chairs: Rydekull dneary ewoud quaid 15:04:53 <ewoud> #info eedri unable to attend 15:04:56 <quaid> ewoud: I'll see if I can 15:04:57 <ewoud> #chair dcaro 15:04:57 <ovirtbot> Current chairs: Rydekull dcaro dneary ewoud quaid 15:05:29 <dcaro> sorry I'm late 15:05:45 <ewoud> no problem, we started 30 seconds before you came online 15:05:56 <ewoud> copying the agenda from http://www.ovirt.org/Infrastructure_team_meetings#2013-02-18 15:06:00 <ewoud> Hosting 15:06:01 <ewoud> Puppet 15:06:01 <ewoud> Jenkins 15:06:01 <ewoud> Gerrit 15:06:01 <ewoud> ovirtbot 15:06:03 <ewoud> Other business? 15:06:05 <ewoud> Trac review 15:06:30 <ewoud> #topic hosting 15:06:47 <ewoud> #info alterway01 was reinstalled with centos 6.3 15:07:02 <ewoud> #action quaid to install the teams SSH keys again 15:07:59 <ewoud> #info in the libvirt or ovirt discussion we had a good discussion and concluded we want ovirt 15:08:04 <Rydekull> \o/ 15:08:24 <ewoud> http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/infra/2013-February/002028.html opening post 15:08:26 <ewoud> http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/infra/2013-February/002066.html conclusion 15:08:49 <ewoud> I did notice that oVirt isn't packaged officially for EL6 15:09:26 <ewoud> so do we go for unofficial packages or fedora? 15:09:37 <ewoud> brb 15:10:04 <Rydekull> I'd still say we go for CentOS 6.3, and either use unofficial packages, source or create our own. 15:11:44 <Rydekull> Let's stop the OS discussion, stick with what we said and go on and just do it. 15:12:05 <quaid> +1 15:13:21 <Rydekull> Just time being wasted, imho 15:16:49 <dcaro> I think that the same principle applies here, we should use our supported packages, meaning, that we use fedora, or package it for centos officially... 15:17:03 <dcaro> but I don't care too much 15:18:26 <Rydekull> Then package it, I believe we have quite a large userbase on centos that will applaud it 15:19:42 <dcaro> Ok. I have no previous knowledge of ovirt packaging, who's doing it now? 15:20:26 <Rydekull> I believe there are automated jobs, aswell as some manual parts by mburns and others, but mburns surely knows 15:20:52 <dneary> Hi all 15:20:57 <dneary> Sorry - was in a meeting 15:21:23 <dneary> ewoud, eedri_: Probably means it's reinstalled, but I don't have email about it yet 15:21:44 <ewoud> back 15:22:04 <dcaro> Rydekull: ok, we can ask mburns about how to do it 15:22:12 <mburns> packages are built by the maintainers and then sent to oschreib or mburns to be posted 15:22:49 <ewoud> any ETA? anything we can do to help? 15:23:00 <mburns> oschreib: is working on engine packages 15:23:15 * ewoud tried last weekend but too many unpackaged dependencies 15:27:12 <ewoud> so we want to wait for ovirt 3.2 on EL6 before we start with foreman & puppet, migrations 15:27:41 <Rydekull> Why Wait? 15:27:43 <Rydekull> Just do it? 15:27:54 <ewoud> without packages? 15:28:04 <Rydekull> We have source? We can build packages? What's the issue? 15:28:12 <Rydekull> its still the same oVirt 15:28:41 <ewoud> I tried building, but too little experience with it 15:28:51 <quaid> well, generally the idea of sysadmin work on our type of Linux is as preference to package 15:29:21 <quaid> so it could be ok to proceed with a package we build, not having to wait for it to be in an official repo 15:29:39 <ewoud> if you have more experience I'd like to work together to build packages 15:30:48 <Rydekull> If we are dead set on using packages, which seems quite ridiculous in my mind. We still have the maintainers that we can ask 15:31:08 <Rydekull> "Hey, you're building this for Fedora, are you willing to build it for CentOS too? Or provide me with instructions on how to do it?" 15:31:20 <Rydekull> I dont see why we should wait for that though 15:31:35 <Rydekull> It'll be the same ovirt base regardless 15:31:42 <dneary> quaid, You could try with the original password (it wasn't "password" or "ChangeMe" but it was something like that) 15:31:46 <ewoud> still, upgrading may be harder 15:32:02 <Rydekull> Why? 15:32:06 <dcaro> The idea behind is the same as the idea behind using ovirt, we should know the issues our uses are going through so we can improve all the process 15:32:21 <quaid> dneary: I'm sorting email looking for that, I may have thrown it away 15:32:26 <ewoud> and personally I have a policy of just using packages unless there's a very good reason 15:33:52 * dcaro agrees 15:34:11 <ewoud> especially since the maintainers are working on packages 15:34:14 <Rydekull> So 15:34:22 <Rydekull> How does that differ from anything I've said? 15:34:36 <quaid> Rydekull: I'll pull up the Infra team mission that I think is relevant, but be aware that the idea of running production systems in a packagized Linux but putting in non-packaged code ... that doesn't sit well with a certain type of sysadmin goal 15:34:53 <quaid> http://www.ovirt.org/Infrastructure#Mission_Statement 15:35:22 <quaid> Rydekull: when it comes to a Fedora/EL-type distro, packaging is the accepted professional standard of a sysadmin, at this point 15:35:42 <Rydekull> Yes, up until the point that there are no packages 15:35:45 <quaid> in the future I can see other methods becoming standard, the way we're now using e.g. cartridges on OpenShift 15:35:55 <Rydekull> Which is when you 1. Use source 2. Create Packages 15:36:00 <Rydekull> Its still the same source, regardless 15:36:13 <Rydekull> We're in above situation, since we seem reluctant of "third-party" packages 15:36:14 <quaid> Rydekull: right, and we either use source and have machines that are out spec & arguably harder to run, or we package the code, then proceed 15:36:29 <quaid> I'd vote for using third-party packages, if we can trust them 15:36:30 <Rydekull> And which is why im asying, why dont we just get on with it and ask the maintainers if they can provide packages 15:36:38 <Rydekull> or just create our own? 15:37:06 <quaid> +1 to create our own 15:37:14 <quaid> +1 to pushing maintainers to supply :) 15:37:28 <Rydekull> I'd say, ask maintainers for each required package first 15:37:36 <dcaro> +1 ask mantainers first 15:37:39 <Rydekull> then if we get a negative response, find another solution 15:37:51 <Rydekull> Just stop debating it endlessly :-) 15:38:07 <ewoud> mburns said they're working on it, question is the timeframe 15:40:35 <Rydekull> So we all agree, let's create a list of each package, ask each maintainer if they can provide CentOS packages, ok? 15:40:46 <Rydekull> Who wants ^ assignment? 15:41:30 * quaid a 15:41:47 * quaid dropped off network, is back 15:42:33 <ewoud> quaid: is that a yes? 15:43:15 * quaid is busy on the last assignment of getting sshkeys back on the alterway01 host, sorry 15:43:35 <Rydekull> Ok, fine, i'll contact them 15:43:40 <quaid> oh, I don't know the list of packages to start - if we just make that list on arch@ and ask at the same time? 15:44:29 * ewoud wouldn't know where to start either 15:45:39 <Rydekull> http://resources.ovirt.org/releases/3.2/rpm/Fedora/17/SRPMS/ <-- i'd start there 15:45:41 <ewoud> #action Rydekull to ask for EL6 packages 15:46:47 <ewoud> anything else to discuss? 15:47:08 <ewoud> Rydekull: do you have logins for openstack now? 15:47:14 <Rydekull> Nope 15:47:35 <ewoud> euh, openshift 15:47:35 <Rydekull> quaid is the only one with 'master' access (rhc and webpage) cause he is the 'owner' 15:48:01 * ewoud is having a bad day today 15:48:05 <Rydekull> and my key wont work 15:48:36 <quaid> Rydekull: I added it last week, still not working? 15:48:45 <dneary> Rydekull, I made some space on our instance, which should have solved the issues short-term 15:48:47 <Rydekull> quaid: no, that's why I sent a mail saying "it doesnt work" :-P 15:48:48 <quaid> I don't know of a way to share web UI because it's a single account 15:48:53 <dneary> Just before running out to my plane yesterday 15:48:54 <quaid> ah, haven't seen that email, sorry 15:49:14 <Rydekull> dneary: yeah, but my issue is getting in and trying to sort out the ovirtbot ticket :-) 15:49:25 <dneary> Rydekull, Ah, right 15:49:41 <Rydekull> dneary: and to help out in future issues, naturally 15:50:16 <quaid> Rydekull: btw, do you know that we're not supposed to work directly on the host instance via ssh? 15:50:55 <Rydekull> quaid: well, considering I need to reach its files, I dont see many other ways :-) 15:51:01 <Rydekull> quaid: and test its connections 15:52:01 <quaid> Rydekull: I think most stuff is available via git, although I forget about logs 15:52:18 <Rydekull> same issue there, no pubkey 15:52:19 <Rydekull> :-) 15:52:21 <quaid> Rydekull: it's that the content in ssh is not canonical, so a new push to git can and will overwrite 15:52:34 <quaid> can you try again? I just repasted your key in to the web UI this time 15:53:08 <Rydekull> im using, 847edb45aea84198838f915be6faa066@wiki-ovirt.rhcloud.com 15:53:17 <Rydekull> Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic). 15:54:45 <goacid> dneary, server delivered, check your mailbox. Sorry for the delay 15:55:08 <quaid> Rydekull: can you do a git checkout? 15:55:23 <quaid> ssh://847edb45aea84198838f915be6faa066@wiki-ovirt.rhcloud.com/~/git/wiki.git/ 15:55:28 <ewoud> quaid: can you also ask RH admins for alterway0{0,1}.ovirt.org? 15:55:53 <quaid> ewoud: oh dear, is that just in my /etc/hosts? sorry about that, will file ticket right away 15:56:07 <Rydekull> quaid: well, considering ssh wont work, that wont work either 15:56:10 <ewoud> quaid: it's in my ~/.ssh/config for now, but DNS would be nice :) 15:56:10 <Rydekull> quaid: but, yeah, tried, no 15:56:55 <quaid> Rydekull: ok, I was having a long wait for straight ssh, but I have it working now 15:58:15 * Rydekull also did assume that quaid meant "clone" with "checkout" 15:58:25 <quaid> Rydekull: I just emailed you back with the key I think I'm pasting in, to confirm it isn't missing any characters 15:58:49 <quaid> Rydekull: oh, yes, blame the braing that grew up on cvs and svn :) 15:59:05 <Rydekull> ;-) 15:59:29 <Rydekull> quaid: well, you can also copy it from resources.ovirt.org ~rydekull/.ssh/authorized_keys 15:59:38 <Rydekull> quaid: cause, that works just fine 16:00:15 <quaid> good thx 16:00:56 <quaid> ah -ha, I think I have extra char returns possibly 16:01:20 <dneary> quaid, Did you get in already? 16:01:25 <dneary> goacid, Dosn't work for me 16:01:38 <dneary> It doesn't prompt for a password, I get too many auth failures 16:01:41 <quaid> I haven't been able to yet 16:02:01 <Rydekull> quaid: [wiki-ovirt.rhcloud.com ~]\> 16:02:04 <Rydekull> quaid: \o/ 16:02:13 <quaid> dneary: try PreferredAuthentications="password" 16:02:51 <quaid> that is, -o first 16:03:13 <dneary> quaid, Works! Yay! 16:03:31 <dneary> I was trying "PreferredAuthentications=keyboard-interactive" 16:06:17 <Rydekull> Well guys, I'll send that email about the packages, and now I can finally try and fix ovirtbot 16:06:24 <Rydekull> So, I need to head out to a bus, see you 16:06:29 <ewoud> ok, then I think we can close the meeting 16:06:52 <ewoud> any other business? 16:07:41 <ewoud> closing in 3 16:07:44 <ewoud> 2 16:07:46 <ewoud> 1 16:07:49 <ewoud> thanks all 16:07:51 <ewoud> #endmeeting