15:00:55 <mburns> #startmeeting oVirt Weekly sync 15:00:55 <ovirtbot> Meeting started Wed Dec 12 15:00:55 2012 UTC. The chair is mburns. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:55 <ovirtbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:03 <mburns> #chair oschreib_ quaid dneary 15:01:03 <ovirtbot> Current chairs: dneary mburns oschreib_ quaid 15:01:04 <oschreib_> dneary: I don't think so 15:01:08 <oschreib_> :) 15:01:14 <mburns> #topic agenda and roll call 15:01:19 <oschreib_> last time I did it no one came.... 15:01:21 * oschreib_ here 15:01:22 <dneary> oschreib_, mburns is doing the honours, I guess... 15:01:36 * dneary is here 15:01:46 <mburns> * Release Status 15:01:52 <mburns> * sub project Reports 15:01:54 <dneary> Schroedinger might be here. 15:01:58 <mburns> * Workshop updates 15:02:03 * dustins here 15:02:06 <vfeenstr> What about his cat? :D 15:02:13 <vfeenstr> SCNR 15:02:19 <oschreib_> vfeenstr: well, you can check 15:02:26 <vfeenstr> VDSM 3.2 was tagged FYI 15:03:51 * mgoldboi here 15:03:59 <vfeenstr> http://gerrit.ovirt.org/gitweb?p=vdsm.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ovirt-3.2 15:04:17 <mburns> #topic Release Status 15:04:27 <mburns> #info Code Freeze is scheduled for today 15:04:47 <dneary> mburns, Great weather for it (it's -2°C here) 15:05:02 * dneary keeps quiet 15:05:15 <mburns> #info projects need to branch so that we're working from a stable place 15:05:24 * lh here 15:05:26 <mburns> dneary: heh...it's 31 F here 15:05:36 <mburns> which is ~ -1 or -2 C 15:05:37 <dneary> mburns, That's cold, right? 15:05:42 <oschreib_> are we sure we're ready for code freeze? 15:05:52 <mburns> oschreib_: that's what we're here to discuss 15:05:54 <dneary> Closer to -1. 15:06:13 <mburns> #info vdsm has already branched 15:06:16 <oschreib_> well, it's 20 C here, and I consider it cold. 15:06:21 <vfeenstr> 19C here in Tel Aviv :-) 15:06:31 <mburns> #info node will likely be ready by EOD 15:06:43 <mburns> mgoldboi: oschreib_: what about engine? 15:06:46 <mburns> ready? not ready? 15:06:47 <vfeenstr> but tomorrow I go back to the cold Brno (-6C) 15:07:26 <vfeenstr> who's going create the 3.2 branch for the guest agent? 15:07:29 <oschreib_> mgoldboi isn't here I afraid 15:07:35 <mgoldboi> oschreib_: her 15:07:40 <oschreib_> ooops 15:07:41 <oschreib_> :) 15:07:50 <mburns> ;-) 15:08:11 <vfeenstr> oschreib_: it's warm 15:08:14 <mburns> vfeenstr: package maintainers generally need to create the branch 15:08:21 <mgoldboi> mburns: hard to answer, feature wise - iguess we are 15:08:27 <vfeenstr> Well that's the issue with ga at the moment 15:08:50 <vfeenstr> we need an active maintainer 15:08:57 <vfeenstr> for the guest agent 15:09:27 <mburns> vfeenstr: i can create the branch, i think, if we need it 15:09:43 <vfeenstr> well there have been commits, and currently there's no 3.1 branch 15:09:46 <vfeenstr> there's only master 15:09:47 <mburns> but we should work through either arch@ or engine-devel@ to get a maintainer chosen 15:09:53 <vfeenstr> I think it would be a good idea to get started on it 15:10:08 <mgoldboi> oschreib_: can you branch ovirt-engine? 15:10:19 <oschreib_> sure I can 15:10:23 <oschreib_> if we decide to do it 15:10:40 <mburns> sounds like the major projects are ready 15:10:50 <mburns> what about sdk/cli? 15:11:02 <mburns> and mom 15:13:36 <mburns> ok... 15:13:47 <fsimonce> mburns, vdsm was tagged yesterday (4.10.3) and there's a fedora (18) build... if nothing else pops up, this is our rc 15:13:57 <mburns> fsimonce: good to know 15:14:06 <mburns> thanks 15:14:52 <mburns> i'm going to assume that sdk/cli are ready (or close enough) that we can freeze 15:15:04 <mburns> same with mom 15:15:20 <mburns> any objections to declaring this our code freeze? 15:15:44 <mburns> oschreib_: mgoldboi: you both seemed a bit hesitant... 15:16:43 <mburns> any concerns? 15:16:51 <mgoldboi> mburns: well, we are a bit unstable because of fedora pending release 15:17:04 <mgoldboi> mburns: do we now the current ga date for it? 15:17:32 <mgoldboi> mburns: we need to make sure we are going according to it, if we are planned to be based on it 15:17:34 <mburns> mgoldboi: fedora is scheduled to ship 08-Jan 15:17:49 <mburns> we're current scheduled for 09-Jan 15:18:10 <mgoldboi> mburns: ok 15:18:46 <mgoldboi> mburns: i think we are ready to branch, but i feel people haven't played enough with this version 15:19:07 <mgoldboi> mburns: and we don't know current quality status 15:19:09 <mburns> mgoldboi: right, because we don't have any alpha or beta out there, just nightly 15:19:40 <mgoldboi> mburns: so first step is to go with alpha and maybe branch a bit later? 15:20:03 <mburns> mgoldboi: we tried that a couple weeks ago, and never got builds for anything together to get them posted 15:20:40 <mburns> mgoldboi: if we decide to do alpha, then ga *will* slip 15:21:22 * mburns would really like to have 3.2 ready to go for the workshop at NetApp in January 15:21:49 <mgoldboi> mburns: why not take a nightly and give it as alpha? 15:22:07 <mburns> mgoldboi: we could, but 2 weeks ago, we didn't have nightlies on F18 15:22:36 <mburns> and currently, we don't have ovirt-node f18 builds in the nightly either (though i'm trying to fix that now) 15:23:35 <mgoldboi> mburns: all that i'm saying is that branching will create an overhead of double committing and if quality isn't there, that could be a hussle 15:23:57 <mburns> would people feel better about saying alpha this week, then freeze and beta next week? 15:24:32 <oschreib_> +1 15:24:42 <mgoldboi> mburns: we need to communicate this version to community, which we didn't do so far 15:25:22 <mgoldboi> mburns: we were all very busy - but i think we need to focus on people getting it and start giving feedback if needed 15:25:26 <mburns> any objections to doing alpha this week, then beta next week? 15:25:51 <mburns> #info discussion between alpha this week and beta/freeze next week 15:26:06 <mburns> #info impact, would delay GA by at least 1 week 15:26:54 <oschreib_> so no branching yet? 15:27:21 <mburns> no dissenting opinions, so delay freeze and beta 15:27:37 <mburns> #agreed no beta or code freeze this week, will try for next week 15:27:51 <mburns> #info and ship and alpha version this week instead 15:28:15 <mburns> oschreib_: can you pull together the packages for the alpha and post them? 15:28:28 <mburns> other than ovirt-node, which i'll handle later today 15:28:47 <oschreib_> basically, what do we want people to do 15:28:48 <oschreib_> ? 15:28:52 <mgoldboi> mburns: don't we have all relevant packages on the nightly? what are we missing? 15:28:55 <oschreib_> build their packages to fedora 18? 15:29:10 <mburns> mgoldboi: ovirt-node isn't there... 15:29:15 <mburns> not sure if we're missing any others 15:29:29 <mburns> but we should have them in another location than nightly 15:29:52 <mburns> oschreib_: we want people to start playing around with the new version on Fedora 18 15:31:08 <oschreib_> so, why can't we just cp -r nightly alpha ? 15:31:27 <mgoldboi> mburns: ok, looking at http://resources.ovirt.org/releases/nightly/rpm/Fedora/18/ i think we are missing only ovirt-node there 15:31:30 <mburns> oschreib_: you can 15:31:45 <mburns> oschreib_: and i'll get ovirt-node uploaded there, once it's built 15:31:48 <mgoldboi> mburns: and guest-agent 15:31:56 <oschreib_> cool 15:32:00 <mburns> ok, so we need to get a guest-agent build up too 15:32:13 <mgoldboi> mburns: great so we have our alpha content, we need just to make the repo for it 15:32:25 <mburns> mgoldboi: yep 15:32:27 <mburns> and announce it 15:32:33 <mburns> i'll handle the announcement tomorrow 15:32:40 <vfeenstr> it would be nice to have guest agent nightlies 15:32:51 <mgoldboi> vfeenstr: on your hands 15:33:03 <mgoldboi> ? 15:33:07 <vfeenstr> I am just mentioning it 15:33:18 <mburns> #action oschreib_ to setup repo for nightly 15:33:25 <vfeenstr> I know there's a lot I can do, however I need also community backing for that 15:33:41 <mburns> #action mburns to get ovirt-node and ovirt-node-iso builds uploaded to that repo 15:33:58 <mburns> who is going to get the guest agent builds together? 15:34:00 <vfeenstr> right now I am quite new to the project, I am not expecting everything to happen at once :-) 15:34:10 <mburns> oschreib_: i think we only want f18 builds in the alpha... 15:34:21 <mgoldboi> vfeenstr: i think all in favor to put it in as well - any objections to add guest-agent to nightly builds? 15:34:44 * mburns thinks it's a no-brainer to add a nightly build for guest-agent 15:35:08 <mburns> it's just a matter of getting someone the access and time to create it 15:35:23 <mgoldboi> vfeenstr: can you take it eedri and have a look? 15:35:38 <mburns> access is easy, just send mail to infra to get access 15:36:13 <mburns> ok, so to summarize: 15:36:24 <mburns> 1. delay beta, freeze, and branch until next week 15:36:41 <mburns> 2. create alpha release and post tomorrow 15:36:49 <mburns> 3. delay GA by 1 week 15:37:01 <mburns> anything else to discuss w.r.t. the release status? 15:37:45 <mgoldboi> mburns: are you taking care of announcing? 15:37:47 <polfilm> there is a windows bug with the console related to mouse. any chance to get new build? 15:38:04 <mburns> #action mburns to announce the alpha availability and update dates on the wiki 15:38:09 <mburns> mgoldboi: yes 15:38:13 <mgoldboi> mburns: 10x 15:38:26 <mgoldboi> oschreib_: are you good with creating the repo? 15:38:35 <mburns> polfilm: is there a bug filed? 15:38:36 <oschreib_> I'll be ok 15:39:07 <polfilm> Spice got it fixed Dec 5th. just a matter of compiling new windows binaries 15:39:14 <mburns> ok, anything else for release status? 15:39:38 <mgoldboi> mburns: what is the timeframe for ovirt-node, any reason to delay announcement for tomorrow? 15:40:01 <mburns> mgoldboi: we have one patch set still being reviewed (>100 patches) 15:40:09 <mburns> once that gets in, i'll start the build process 15:40:24 <mburns> but it's likely that the build won't get done today 15:40:30 <mburns> if it does, i'll send the announcement early 15:40:39 <mgoldboi> mburns: ok, thanks 15:40:58 <mgoldboi> oschreib_: can you make the repo ready for today? 15:41:12 <oschreib_> mgoldboi: if it's just copy yes 15:41:16 <mburns> polfilm: can you send me the bug number, and i'll try to follow up with the spice guys 15:41:26 <mburns> who's building guest-agent? 15:41:32 <oschreib_> mburns: /releases is in the same host? 15:41:51 <mburns> oschreib_: think you need to go to resources.ovirt.org 15:41:59 <mburns> that's the linode instance 15:43:13 <mburns> ok, moving on to the workshops 15:43:17 <mburns> #topic Workshops 15:43:26 <mburns> dneary: lh: updates? 15:44:13 <lh> mburns, All systems are go for NetApp on 22-24 January 15:44:21 <lh> We are working on ordering attendee gifts 15:44:28 <lh> Folks need to get registered no later than 13 January 15:44:37 <mburns> #info all systems go for NetApp 15:44:50 <mburns> #info registration is open -- closes 13 January 15:45:01 <lh> Full details on the CFP, registration, venue, etc. are at http://wiki.ovirt.org/NetApp_Workshop_January_2013 15:45:15 <mburns> #info workshop runs 2013-01-22 -> 2013-01-24 15:45:21 <lh> dneary, any comments you want to make on the CFP? 15:45:40 <lh> Board Meeting will be held on 24 January and invitations have been sent out to all of the individual board members 15:45:43 <dneary> I was just this second sending out a mail merge 15:45:52 <dneary> to attendees at the first workshop in 2011 15:45:56 <lh> promotion proceeds apace via NetApp PR, the OVA and IBM's channels 15:46:02 <lh> dneary, ++ 15:46:03 <mburns> #info board meeting to be held on 24 January 15:46:22 <dneary> Call for Papers: I would live to see some proposals from people related to oVirt use cases, and integrating with oVirt through both RESTful APIs and plug-ins 15:46:24 <lh> We will have an evening reception at the nearby Country Inn and Suites on Wednesday, 23 January 15:46:33 <lh> I am working on that - I want to make sure they can cater kosher 15:46:44 <mburns> dneary: when does cfp close? 15:46:45 <lh> But reception time is firm 15:46:46 <dneary> Anyone working with the oVirt project who can give insight into working with the project would be great, for example 15:46:56 <dneary> mburns, CfP closes on Friday 15:47:12 <dneary> But the goal is simply to allow us to have a provisional schedule by the end of next week 15:47:22 <mburns> #info CFP closes this Friday 15:47:28 <dneary> If I get a proposal on Saturday, Sunday or Monday it will be considered 15:47:31 <mburns> ok, so i need to get talk proposals in... 15:47:47 <mburns> #info evening event planned for Wednesday 23, January 15:47:51 <lh> That's all I have on upcoming workshops unless folks have questions re: netapp 15:47:51 <dneary> mburns, Yes, please 15:48:34 <mburns> dneary: maybe i'll just wait, and see what we need to have talks on and can fill in those areas... 15:48:55 <dneary> lh, I'd like to add that registration closes one week before the event - I am encouraging people to register early. 15:49:17 <dneary> mburns, If everyone just waits, there isn't much opportunity for crafting a schedule 15:50:00 <dneary> I would prefer to have too many proposals and have to adjudicate 15:50:22 <dneary> mgoldboi, For example, I would really appreciate it if you could put in a proposal for the 2h hands-on workshop 15:51:13 <mburns> dneary: do we have an MC for the workshop? 15:51:32 <mgoldboi> dneary: what do you mean by proposal? 15:52:10 <lh> mburns, carl trieloff will be attending from RH so he will MC 15:52:30 <mburns> ok, works for me 15:52:44 <mburns> #info people are encouraged to register early 15:53:32 <dneary> mgoldboi, An email to workshop-pc with "Title: Hands-on workshop", and "Description: "Try out the latest version of oVirt All-in-One booting live from a USB key! Laptop required for attendees if they wish to participate, this is an opportunity to see some of the basic features of oVirt in action" 15:53:33 <mburns> #info we will attempt to tailor the schedule to what attendees want to get out of it, so the earlier you register, the more likely we are to have relevant talks for you 15:53:48 <dneary> mburns, I don't know if we have an MC yet. If needs be, I can do it 15:53:49 <mgoldboi> dneary::) 15:54:05 <mburns> dneary: ok, so we have you, me, cctreiloff who can do it 15:54:20 <mburns> wasn't sure if NetApp was going to have someone play host... 15:54:43 <dneary> mburns, Something I need to look into 15:54:52 <mburns> ok 15:55:22 <mburns> dneary: whoever is playing host should probably have a 5 min intro keynote the first day, i would think... 15:55:38 <dneary> mburns, I am planning for opening keynotes 15:55:46 <mburns> ok 15:55:59 <mburns> ok, anything else about the workshop? 15:56:02 <mburns> from anyone? 15:57:08 <mburns> ok 15:57:12 <mburns> #topic Infra update 15:57:13 <dneary> re content, I'd like to take the opportunity 15:57:17 <dneary> late 15:57:20 <dneary> Slow typer 15:57:27 <mburns> #topic Workshops revisited 15:57:31 <mburns> dneary: go ahead 15:57:54 <dneary> I'd like to take the opportunity to encourage project maintainers to invite participants to contribute content - especially first time proposers 15:57:57 <oschreib_> mburns: mgoldboi: 3.2-alpha repo ready (nightly dir without EL6 and F17 rpms) 15:58:09 <dneary> It's a great way to encourage diversity in the project. 15:58:20 <mburns> oschreib_: f17? or F18? 15:58:25 * mburns thinks it should be f18 15:58:47 <oschreib_> mburns: I removed all f17 15:58:59 <mburns> #info maintainers, please encourage new participants to contribute content for the workshop 15:59:02 <mburns> oschreib_: oh, misread... 15:59:12 <mburns> thought you said with el6 and f17 15:59:15 <mburns> not without... 15:59:20 <jbrooks> oschreib_, will 3.2 have pkgs for EL? 15:59:43 <mburns> jbrooks: not official ones, i don't think 15:59:59 <oschreib_> jbrooks: well, iirc, only vdsm have .el6 packages published 16:00:04 <mburns> we're targeting that for the *next* release 16:00:15 <jbrooks> mburns, OK, good 16:00:26 <mgoldboi> oschreib_: thanks 16:00:49 <mburns> #topic Infra update 16:00:50 <mburns> quaid: any updates? 16:01:14 <eedri> we have a jenkins migration plan ready 16:02:00 <eedri> we can start testing some of it before the actual move, and most of the work can be done without downtime to existing server 16:02:27 <eedri> btw, any reason why i can't login to ovirt.org? 16:03:05 <mburns> eedri: try resources.ovirt.org 16:03:12 <mburns> that's the linode server now 16:03:16 * lh wanders to her next meeting 16:03:17 <mburns> ovirt.org is the openshift instance 16:03:22 <mburns> thanks lh 16:03:30 <mburns> #info jenkins migration plan ready 16:03:50 <mburns> #info some aspects can be tested before the move and most work can be done without downtime 16:04:01 <mburns> eedri: is there a timeframe for the migration? 16:04:05 <eedri> mburns, i'm talking about the web 16:04:09 <eedri> mburns, not ssh 16:04:16 <eedri> mburns, it's missing the login button 16:04:38 <mburns> ahh, login is at the bottom right 16:04:48 <eedri> mburns, not yet, i didn't got any feedback on the infra list yet 16:04:58 <eedri> mburns, it's not :) 16:05:01 <eedri> mburns, not any more.. 16:05:02 <mburns> ok 16:05:11 <mburns> eedri: hmm, i see it 16:05:30 <mburns> #info no eta for jenkins migration yet, awaiting feedback on infra list 16:05:34 <mburns> ok, anything else? 16:06:08 <eedri> mburns, i see it on firefox, not chrome 16:06:09 <eedri> mburns, ok 16:06:25 <mburns> eedri: i'm on chrome 16:06:29 <mburns> and just logged in 16:06:37 <mburns> ok, if nothing else for the meeting, i'll close 16:06:41 * mburns waits a minute 16:08:09 <mburns> ok, thanks all 16:08:12 <mburns> #endmeeting