15:00:23 <mburns> #startmeeting oVirt Weekly Meeting
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15:00:39 <mburns> #topic agenda and roll call
15:00:46 * garrett_ is here
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15:00:58 <mburns> Status of Next Release (Feature Status, F17/F18 support)
15:00:58 <mburns> Sub-project reports (engine, vdsm, node, infra)
15:00:58 <mburns> Workshop Report
15:01:22 * quaid here
15:01:29 * dneary here
15:01:44 * lh here
15:02:24 <rgolan> ewoud: sure and thanks for the review so far.
15:03:14 * mgoldboi here
15:03:34 <mburns> #topic Release Status
15:03:46 <mburns> #link http://wiki.ovirt.org/wiki/OVirt_3.2_release-management
15:04:03 <mburns> from discussions with itamar, we want to target F18
15:04:19 <ewoud> rgolan: no problem
15:04:30 <mburns> F18 GA just got pushed out to January 8
15:04:37 * ovedo is here
15:04:44 <mburns> do we want to match that release date?
15:04:50 <YamakasY> va10x00ff: indeed, does not appear
15:04:57 <mburns> especially since feature freeze is supposed to be today?
15:05:10 * oschreib here
15:05:20 * fsimonce here
15:05:35 <YamakasY> va10x00ff: strange thing is also that I cannot mount that ISO share as normal data store... but the settings are the same as the VM share that is mounted
15:05:41 <oschreib> sounds like we should target F17
15:06:07 <mburns> oschreib: there were concerns with targeting f17
15:06:18 <mburns> from engine side
15:06:19 <itamar> we can't focus on both, and we need to invest in matching f18
15:06:28 <sgordon> note also F18 will include ovirt 3.1 in the distribution
15:06:29 <mgoldboi> +1
15:06:31 <itamar> i suggest we try to get more testing once we get something working
15:06:31 <sgordon> ideally we'd improve on that
15:06:54 <itamar> so add some milestones on testing 3.2 beta with f18 beta?
15:06:59 <sgordon> +1
15:07:08 * mburns proposes slipping feature freeze 2 weeks and then concentrating on testing
15:07:08 <mgoldboi> f18 beta is targeted on 2012-11-27
15:07:17 <mburns> and GA at/around f18 GA
15:08:03 <mgoldboi> +1
15:08:30 <mburns> proposal:  Feature Freeze/Beta Build -- 2012-11-28
15:08:36 <itamar> so maybe a week after f18 beta, we should do an ovirt 3.2 beta?
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15:08:48 <mburns> Test Day 2012-12-04
15:09:02 <mburns> GA 2013-01-09
15:09:47 <mburns> any comments/objections/thoughts/acks?
15:10:10 <itamar> mgoldboi, maybe i missed the update - how close are we to working engine/vdsm?
15:10:31 <mgoldboi> itamar: engine - very close
15:10:43 <mgoldboi> vdsmwill take us a bit
15:11:00 <mburns> mgoldboi: 2 weeks sufficient?
15:11:02 <mburns> need longer?
15:11:13 <mgoldboi> good q
15:11:28 <mgoldboi> 2 weeks are probably minimum
15:11:36 <mgoldboi> optemistic scenario it could work
15:11:58 <mburns> ok, how about freeze on 28-Nov
15:12:16 <mburns> but delay test day a week to 11-Dec?
15:12:53 <mgoldboi> mburns: sounds ok, but may need adjustments later on
15:13:06 <itamar> other than engine/vdsm, all else if ok with f18?
15:13:14 <mburns> mgoldboi: that's fine, just want some sort of plan lined up
15:13:29 <mburns> itamar: node will need some work, but initial analysis is that it's not much
15:13:40 <mburns> should be doable in next 2 weeks
15:14:22 * mburns notes that we need to move jenkins slaves to build f18 packages...
15:14:27 <itamar> history/reports - will be async i assume, since jaspersoft only became available now (Wasn't part of 3.1)
15:15:27 <itamar> sdk/cli status for f18?
15:15:38 <itamar> guest agent?
15:16:22 <mburns> #info beta/feature freeze delayed until 28-Nov
15:16:30 <mburns> #info GA delayed until 09-Jan
15:16:31 <itamar> mskrivanek - status of guest agent for f18?
15:16:52 <itamar> mpasternak is offline, will check with him on sdk/cli
15:17:09 <mburns> #info engine almost ready
15:17:15 <mburns> #undo
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15:17:19 <mburns> #info engine almost ready for F18
15:17:30 <mburns> #info vdsm needs some work, hope to hit feature freeze
15:17:39 <mburns> #info node needs some work, should hit feature freeze
15:17:53 <mburns> #info history/reports will likely be async
15:18:03 <mburns> #info sdk/cli update coming later
15:18:07 <mskrivanek> itamar: didn't try yet. we can try that by end of this week
15:18:18 <mburns> #info guest-agent needs testing
15:18:40 <itamar> mskrivanek, what's the status of pushing guest agent to fedora?
15:18:40 <mgoldboi> just as a side note - iptables has been obsolete with firewall.d in f18 - we don't and probably won't support it till feature freeze
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15:20:24 <mburns> mgoldboi: iirc, firewalld uses iptables internally
15:20:45 <mburns> it just obsoletes the iptables service and system-config-iptables
15:20:46 <mskrivanek> itamar: it's in the process, now fixing findings....no ETA yet. do we want to accelerate it?
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15:22:51 <itamar> mskrivanek, i think there is enough time till f18 ga's considering we started it with f17 and it is still in process...
15:23:30 <mburns> ok, anything else to cover for the release status?
15:25:19 * mburns will send announcement that we're delaying our release dates
15:25:33 <mburns> #topic subproject report -- infra
15:25:38 <mburns> quaid: anything to report
15:25:42 <mburns> #chair quaid
15:25:42 <ovirtbot> Current chairs: mburns quaid
15:26:05 <dneary> mburns, How much time did your clean-up today buy us?
15:26:11 <mburns> #info other sub-projects covered in release status, so skipping them
15:26:18 <quaid> hey
15:26:30 <quaid> mburns++ thanks for that clean-up
15:26:37 <mburns> dneary: should be good for a bit
15:26:43 <mburns> we have a couple GB free
15:26:52 <quaid> dneary: k-page@karstenwade.com < feel free to use during the off hours emergencies
15:27:01 <mburns> and backups use about 600MB
15:27:12 <quaid> I just asked on list, but can ask here
15:27:14 <mburns> but clean up the oldest version
15:27:21 <quaid> what about temporarily reducing all backups to 5 days only?
15:27:24 <dneary> quaid, OK, thanks
15:27:35 <quaid> s/backups/backup archives/
15:27:44 <dneary> quaid, Do we have a TLV contact who can get onto the server?
15:27:45 <mburns> #info infra team still recovering from wiki/mailing list outage
15:28:01 <mburns> dneary: oschreib has access
15:28:06 <dneary> Yes, thanks mburns, quaid
15:28:08 <quaid> dneary: I think so, yes, at least one or two
15:28:27 <quaid> eedri too
15:28:40 <mburns> eedri: isn't in sudoers...
15:28:58 <quaid> oh
15:28:58 <dneary> #info mburns, quaid, oschreib and eedri have access to server during future emergencies
15:29:00 <eedri> someone called me?
15:29:10 <quaid> shouldn't eedri be in sudoers?
15:29:24 <mburns> no objection here, was just saying what i see
15:29:32 <mburns> but anyway, we can discuss that after the meeting
15:29:44 <quaid> mburns: I meant, that was a mistake, I'll fix in a minute
15:29:47 <mburns> #info infra team working out contact methods to handle outages quicker in the future
15:29:49 <quaid> ok, status
15:30:08 <quaid> #info MediaWiki instance is en route to being migrated; naked instance at
15:30:14 <quaid> http://wiki-ovirt.rhcloud.com
15:30:39 <quaid> #info expect to have mirroring working by the end of the week, meaning we can schedule DNS cutover for whenever is best
15:31:17 <quaid> #info still working details for other hosting situations, hoping they resolve within the next few weeks
15:31:54 <quaid> #info after wiki is off server that only saves ~200MB running, so not much compared to what else fills the disk, maybe a week or two of time that buys us
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15:32:45 <YamakasY> va10x00ff: around ? I can mount that ISO share from the commandline without any problem
15:33:22 <quaid> full weekly minutes:
15:33:23 <quaid> http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/infra/2012-November/001353.html
15:33:32 <mburns> #link http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/infra/2012-November/001353.html
15:33:48 <mburns> quaid: ok, anything else?
15:34:03 <YamakasY> va10x00ff: this is what happens: http://pastebin.com/z1ybbQqF
15:34:04 <quaid> #info active infra@ discussion needs to happen about "to have /wiki or not"
15:34:13 <quaid> ASAP ^^^^^^^^^^
15:34:30 <mburns> quaid: my vote:  no need since it's wiki.ovirt.org
15:34:40 <quaid> ok, that's it
15:34:46 <quaid> mburns: actually, it's going to be www.ovirt.org
15:34:47 <mburns> but maybe a rewrite rule to point /wiki to /
15:35:04 <dneary> mburns, The question is whether it's necessary when it becomes www.ovirt.org
15:35:09 <mburns> quaid: ahh, true
15:35:10 <mburns> no
15:35:12 <quaid> MediaWiki is going to serve www
15:35:13 <mburns> it's our main site
15:35:13 * dneary sees that quaid already said that
15:35:26 <quaid> yeah, what he and I just said :)
15:35:42 <mburns> ok, we can discuss on list
15:35:45 <quaid> anyway, we pushed the discussion to the list yesterday, so let's have it there :)
15:35:48 <quaid> what he said :)
15:35:52 <quaid> <eoreport>
15:35:52 <mburns> moving on...
15:36:06 <mburns> #topic Workshops - Barcelona (recap)
15:36:13 <garrett_> (is it on list? I don't see it)
15:36:39 <mburns> dneary: opinions on Barcelona?
15:36:41 <dneary> quaid, Did you start a thread?
15:36:46 <dneary> mburns, Good, overall
15:36:53 <quaid> #info eedri has been added to sudoers on linode01
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15:37:07 <YamakasY> ewoud ?
15:37:24 <dneary> Workshops had people - room was over 50% full (except for 9am slots of Wednesday and Thursday - on Wednesday we clashed with keynotes, on Thursday I think people started arriving around 10)
15:37:32 <garrett_> (mburns, can we talk about the website again for a second?)
15:37:44 <dneary> #info Barcelona Workshops had people - room was over 50% full (except for 9am slots of Wednesday and Thursday - on Wednesday we clashed with keynotes, on Thursday I think people started arriving around 10)
15:37:49 <mburns> #info oVirt booth generated a lot of foot traffic and questions
15:37:52 <mburns> #chair dneary
15:37:52 <ovirtbot> Current chairs: dneary mburns quaid
15:38:00 <mburns> #info Barcelona Workshops had people - room was over 50% full (except for 9am slots of Wednesday and Thursday - on Wednesday we clashed with keynotes, on Thursday I think people started arriving around 10)
15:38:07 <mburns> garrett_: yes, we'll come back to it shortly
15:38:09 <garrett_> (sorry; it was discussed in the infra meeting and was to be discussed on list, and it hasn't yet... unless I missed the thread)
15:38:10 <garrett_> ok
15:38:11 <garrett_> thanks
15:38:20 <dneary> #info On Wednesday, we had a full house (~80 people if I counted right) for several sessions after the keynotes
15:39:00 <dneary> mburns, I was also happy to see foot traffic at stand. Did you get any pictures?
15:39:13 <YamakasY> if anyone can check this issue: http://pastebin.com/z1ybbQqF
15:39:13 <mburns> no, didn't think to get pictures
15:39:14 <dneary> #info USB keys and mugs were well received as gifts
15:39:26 <dneary> #info dneary to gather presentations together in wiki for posterity
15:39:46 * lh assumes that we'd like to look into booths at future linuxcons
15:39:56 <mburns> lh +1
15:40:11 <itamar> lh +1
15:40:23 <dneary> #info We met with several interesting oVirt users or potential users - dneary will follow up to see if we can use them as case studies when they've successfully deployed
15:40:33 <lh> mburns, i'd like the board companies / wider team to come up with a list of conferences they'd like to see us exhibit at. no guarantees but good to track. already working with frederic hornain on a virtualization table for fosdem
15:40:36 <lh> itamar, ^^
15:40:38 <mburns> we definitely need some form of handout as well with high level "What is oVirt" information
15:40:55 <mburns> lh: agreed
15:40:56 <lh> #action lh to talk to suehle about handout on what is ovirt and see what can be done
15:41:23 <dneary> Are there any general virtualisation conferences beyond VMWorld where we can go present?
15:41:23 * mburns likely going to fudcon, but not really the type of place for booths
15:42:09 <lh> dneary, not that i know of but i will shake the bushes to see what can be discovered there
15:42:33 <dneary> Cool
15:42:43 <mburns> there is linuxconf.au in january too
15:42:53 <YamakasY> annoying, ovirt tha cannot mount a NFS share you can mount manually
15:43:09 <mburns> and, iirc, there is a similar type of conference in Brazil at some point too
15:43:10 <dneary> We should talk about NetApp too - what's the time-table for gifts, registrations, getting an agenda together?
15:43:22 <dneary> mburns, FISL or LatinoWare
15:43:23 <mburns> dneary: yep, that's the next topic
15:43:26 <lh> mburns, working on getting a talk accepted to LCA virt miniconf w/ daniel ...
15:43:30 * lh needs to find his name
15:43:33 <mburns> FISL was what i had heard about
15:43:40 <dneary> Porto Allegre
15:43:43 <lh> FISL is  must do, already working with organizers on doing RH cloud booth for 2013
15:43:51 <dneary> There is a LinuxCon Brasil also
15:44:04 <lh> We had a booth there including oVirt this year and it went *great* from what Leo Vaz tells me
15:44:13 <lh> dneary, correct, LF will update me as soon as a date and location are selected
15:44:45 <mburns> #info looking to expand to conferences beyond linuxcon
15:44:54 <lh> mburns, how succinct of you :)
15:45:01 <mburns> ;-P
15:45:03 <dneary> lh, I hear they're looking at Rio this year
15:45:23 <lh> dneary, that sounds lovely and would definitely differentiate from FISL
15:45:36 <mburns> #info definitely want booths for as many as we can
15:46:09 <lh> mburns, i propose if we want to do many more booths we discuss with the board companies to do fundraising. booths are expensive.
15:46:19 <mburns> lh: agreed
15:46:34 <dneary> lh, That's one of the stated objectives - not too close to Porto Allegre
15:46:35 <lh> mburns, when we get a list of potential confs i can do a back of napkin proposed budget
15:46:46 <mburns> lh: sounds good
15:46:50 <lh> dneary, where is this documented or is this your patented irish sense of humor?
15:47:12 <dneary> Their previous ones were in Sao Paolo
15:47:13 <mburns> #info please submit conference suggestions to workshop-pc@ovirt.org
15:47:36 <dneary> lh, I had a conversation with Angela at LinuxCon Europe
15:47:36 <val0x00ff> YamakasY: sorry was working on something. So have you got any further?
15:47:44 <lh> dneary, ah, got it
15:47:57 <dneary> And she said "FISL is in the South, so we want to stay in the North"
15:48:07 <val0x00ff> what OS runs on the NFS machine?
15:48:10 <dneary> But all this is on the qt and off the record
15:48:26 <lh> dneary, so then why are we discussing it in a public irc channel?
15:48:26 <dneary> (says he on a public IRC channel, ahem)
15:48:28 * lh ducks
15:48:40 <mburns> ok, let's move on, we can discuss other target conferences on the lists
15:48:47 <dneary> Nothing overly private, just completely unconfirmed
15:49:03 <mburns> #topic Workshop -- NetApp (Sunnyvale, CA, US)
15:49:18 <mburns> #info January 22-24
15:49:36 <mburns> dates are confirmed afaik
15:49:41 <lh> mburns, I am working on syncing up with Jon Benedict, dates are confirmed
15:50:07 <lh> mburns, we need to reconfirm with their facilities people as some staff has changed and we want to make sure nothing slips through the cracks
15:50:19 <mburns> #info dates are confirmed
15:50:23 <itamar> lh, size of rooms?
15:50:30 <lh> mburns, i would propose that we open up CFP as soon as new website is deployed as since it is a wiki we could put up a fancy CFP page pretty easily
15:50:35 <lh> itamar, one moment i have a briefing doc prepared
15:50:37 <mburns> #info need to coordinate with some facilities people to ensure nothing slips through the cracks
15:51:02 <mburns> #info CFP to open shortly after new web site is live
15:51:05 <itamar> how do we handle registration for this?
15:51:10 <lh> Briefing document with all known info on NetApp Workshop
15:51:10 <lh> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15UBzC_5moynUSjzZWl8e_pxorc0-gip03JADdtPZFr0/edit
15:51:37 <lh> NetApp has also asked us to work on getting together a BOD meeting at this workshop and their PR team has offered to promote the workshop as well, along with OVA
15:51:40 <mburns> #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/15UBzC_5moynUSjzZWl8e_pxorc0-gip03JADdtPZFr0/edit
15:52:18 <lh> On gifts, I think we have some time to think creatively but need to decide in the next month
15:52:28 <lh> Would be good to brainstorm ways to promote the CFP
15:53:04 <itamar> can we go with registrants specifying their area of interest (users/integators/developers), level of familiarity with ovirt (never heard of to installed), and open question on what they want to see/hear specifically?
15:53:11 <lh> I was so impressed by the interest from the community in presenting in Bangalore and would love to see us replicate that passion for NetApp HQ workshop. It would really help us build momentum around ovrit.
15:53:34 <lh> itamar, that can absolutely happen. we can make a google survey for the registration form and ask those questions.
15:53:42 <lh> anything else folks would like to see us ask of potential attendees?
15:54:32 * lh was not impressed with our experience using eventbrite for bangalore
15:54:34 <lh> brb one sec
15:54:44 <dneary> lh: Agreed on everbrite
15:54:45 <itamar> as for "potential conent/agenda", can be based on barcelona sessions as things which may happen in this one as well + open to more contirbutions of course.
15:54:48 <dneary> eventbrite
15:55:57 <lh> itamar, agreed, we already have great content produced and can augment from there
15:56:03 <dneary> We also have a bunch of oVirt branded power strips which we can give as gifts at the NetApp workshop
15:56:32 <itamar> well, for US participants...
15:56:33 <lh> dneary, there will not be enough of them, but it's a srart
15:56:35 <lh> er start
15:56:58 <mburns> ok, so we have some work to do, but we need to get the new site live first
15:57:01 <dneary> Also, I would like to see us be proactive in calling a board meeting and individually contacting board members to ensure they are present or represented
15:57:02 <mburns> then get CFP open
15:57:03 <lh> I was hoping to find a decent source for the universal power adapters. Everyone would love those and use them constantly.
15:57:07 <lh> mburns, correct
15:57:18 <dneary> lh, How many attendees are we expecting?
15:57:25 <lh> dneary, I am sure Carl would like to follow up on that item, will ask him
15:57:38 <lh> dneary, unclear, we can accommodate up to 150 IIRC, it's in the briefing doc
15:57:44 <dneary> OK
15:58:25 <dneary> lh, I can contact Amy Leeland from Intel - they did those with MeeGo branding a couple of years ago
15:58:42 <mburns> #action dneary to follow up on organizing a board meeting
15:58:49 <mburns> #info seating for ~150 people
15:58:55 <dneary> I'll follow up with Carl, yes.
15:59:04 <mburns> anything else we need to cover
15:59:05 <mburns> ?
15:59:13 * mburns wants to get back to website discussion
15:59:29 <dneary> In the 27 seconds we have left? ;-)
15:59:37 <lh> dneary, ah, i know amy but thank you for the tip
15:59:47 <lh> garrett_, mburns is ready for you ^^
16:00:00 <mburns> #topic web site
16:00:02 <garrett_> okay
16:00:03 <dneary> lh, Of course you do :-)
16:00:13 <dneary> lh, Is there anyone in Portland you don't know? ;-)
16:00:27 <garrett_> quaid and I were just discussing that the last remaining point of /wiki/ or not is that it's "not supported", basically
16:00:38 <garrett_> but our setup is also "not supported"
16:00:38 <lh> dneary, in the tech scene? i dont think so. darn small town to be honest.
16:00:41 <garrett_> for multiple reasons
16:00:53 <garrett_> so the idea is to just go ahead and try and see if there are problems
16:01:16 <garrett_> if there are no issues, we proceed without /wiki/, and if there are, then we decide what to do at that time
16:01:31 <dneary> garrett_, May I ask: Do you think that it will make people less likely to submit requests for accounts and edit pages if those details are hidden from them?
16:01:33 <garrett_> (either fix the issues, or fall back to /wiki/ or /w/ or whatever)
16:01:46 <garrett_> dneary, no
16:02:09 <lh> dneary, perhaps we could make the UI glaringly obvious or have a "sign up for a wiki acccount" as a subsection of our resources pages?
16:02:09 <garrett_> we can mention it on the developer page
16:02:16 <dneary> garrett_, I mean - do we run the risk of losing the value of the "wiki" by hiding the implementation detail? Or, inversely, would revealing the implementation detail make contributions more likely?
16:02:18 * lh thinks this is a pretty easy to solve problem
16:02:21 <mburns> i think as a fallback, we go to /o (for ovirt) or /ovirt
16:02:33 <dneary> lh, That will definitely be in the Community mage
16:02:35 <dneary> page
16:02:41 <garrett_> dneary, a URL is not the place for an implementation detail
16:03:08 <garrett_> right, contributions are already mentioned in my version of the community page
16:03:29 <lh> I realize this is not my balliwick, but I do know Carl wants to demo the new site to execs in early December and I know that Garrett (and the rest of OSAS) wants a happy boss. I feel like we are splitting hairs at this point TBH.
16:03:36 <dneary> garrett_, "no" because you think people will discover it otherwise, or "no" because you don't think there's much demand for that anyway?
16:03:55 <garrett_> dneary, is it currently handled *anywhere* right now?
16:04:11 <quaid> oh, so we need
16:04:16 <quaid> a wiki landing page
16:04:20 <garrett_> dneary, the point I'm making is that technical implementation details should pretty much never leak into URL schemes
16:04:24 <lh> garrett_, there is a terrible page telling you that you can get a wiki account by asking someone else with a wiki account. it is not very inviting in my humble opinion.
16:04:31 <garrett_> and if you want to point out that people can edit the site, there are places for that
16:04:33 <lh> quaid, useful suggestion if garrett agrees
16:04:37 <quaid> people go to a website for a FOSS project looking for "the wiki"
16:04:39 <dneary> lh, That is also not true any more
16:05:06 <quaid> so we have "the wiki" point to a single page e.g. [[OVirt_wiki]]
16:05:09 <lh> dneary, oh i am so glad to hear that. progress ++
16:05:12 <quaid> and on that page we tell about how to get an account, etc.
16:05:20 <lh> quaid, this sounds very sensible
16:05:26 <dneary> lh, And for several months now. I thought I had updated that page
16:05:28 <garrett_> quaid, I'm not entirely sure if people look for "the wiki"
16:05:38 <dneary> garrett_, Some people do
16:05:41 <quaid> garrett_: ah, I can find some support for this
16:05:47 <dneary> Anyway - I agree with quaid's plan
16:05:52 <garrett_> dneary, "some people" can do anything though
16:05:56 <dneary> So I think we can put this to bed
16:05:57 <quaid> it's a growing part of what people look for in an open source project
16:06:03 <garrett_> look:
16:06:09 <lh> dneary, i dont recall to be honest. havent needed to look since requesting an account.
16:06:09 <garrett_> let's do what we can to implement the site
16:06:14 <quaid> garrett_: it's part of checklists I've seen for how open a project is, for example
16:06:18 <quaid> "does it have a wiki"
16:06:19 <lh> garrett_, i look for the wiki fwiw.
16:06:20 <garrett_> and we can tweak things when we have the site up and running
16:06:21 <dneary> garrett_, Don't fall into the trap of arguing with people after they have given in
16:06:29 <quaid> and it helps if there is a link that says "our wiki" in some way
16:06:55 <garrett_> dneary, please be quiet on this; you're offtopic
16:07:05 <dneary> ?
16:07:16 <garrett_> you're bringing up something that isn't an issue
16:07:34 <garrett_> the site will have some changes before it is live
16:07:38 * quaid is actually writing up the initiating thread email
16:07:45 <garrett_> and that's why we need to get it up and running and as close to finished ASAP
16:07:51 <garrett_> and we can reevaluate tweaks then
16:07:57 <dneary> garrett_, Let me just point out that lh, mburns, quaid and myself have all agreed not to have /wiki in the URL scheme, and quaid has suggested a way to accommodate people who look for the wiki which I think is fine
16:08:10 <dneary> So, it seems like there is nothing left to debate
16:08:14 <lh> dneary, i believe garrett_ agreed to that as well, it just needs to be implemented
16:08:14 <garrett_> dneary, you're talking about *how* to do it
16:08:40 <garrett_> and right now is not the time to discuss small UI details like this
16:08:48 <garrett_> yes, we can add something that mentions it somewhat
16:08:51 <garrett_> somewhere
16:08:53 <garrett_> I agree about that
16:09:22 <lh> garrett_, are you willing to create a wiki splash page assuming someone documents all the wiki bits? I know other folks are working on tech docs for ovirt, this may be an action item they could take.
16:09:33 <mburns> sorry, /me got disctracted
16:09:38 <garrett_> lh, yes, we can
16:10:01 <lh> garrett_, ok, that sounds totally reasonable.
16:10:25 <lh> garrett_, so IIRC, Carl needs something to show off by 1 December and new site would need testing. what if we tried to roll out new site on Monday? or is earlier feasible for team?
16:10:35 <lh> quaid, i think that is a quaid question i just asked
16:11:03 <quaid> #action quaid to start the new wiki splash page & publicize its existence so others can help get it fixed up right
16:11:17 <garrett_> I will work with quaid to make sure we get the site up ASAP
16:11:33 <mburns> #info garrett_ and quaid to work on getting new site live asap
16:11:34 <quaid> #idea the point is, when poeople write "the wiki" they need to link to this splash page directly vs. the ovirt.org/
16:11:45 <lh> quaid, agreed
16:11:51 <quaid> #idea it will be helpful to have something in the front page that says "the wiki" in an obvious location
16:12:20 <quaid> garrett_: and how that happens and the importance of that, we can take that out of here, k?
16:12:35 <garrett_> correct
16:12:57 <garrett_> quaid, when can we have this ready?
16:13:14 <garrett_> sometime this week, perhaps?
16:13:23 * lh needs to drop out of meeting sorry
16:13:31 <garrett_> (we will need some time for refinement, so an alpha version ASAP is fantastic)
16:13:35 <lh> thanks everyone, i can answer follow up questions by email
16:14:05 <quaid> garrett_: I'm targeting having everything mirrored in to OpenShift by end of week, with a process so we can do "1,2,3" to freeze the current wiki, snapshot the database and files, an dupdate the Openshift instnace
16:15:42 <dneary> quaid, Are we talking about having a transition period where we have the new wiki live and getting fixed up before we switch DNS?
16:16:01 <dneary> Or are you thinking of throwing it into the water and seeing if it swims?
16:16:43 <dneary> quaid, Also, have you added the new theme as an option on the current wiki? That would allow us to test & debug formatting & layout issues before the move
16:16:43 <garrett_> dneary, as previously discussed, we will make sure the site is ready before switching over DNS
16:18:51 <quaid> right, because we're not doing redirects with DNS
16:19:03 <quaid> that is, we're doing redirecting for the site at the Apache level
16:19:13 <quaid> so we can get all that working before we do DNS switches
16:19:18 <quaid> and, yes, that's still the plan
16:19:37 <quaid> I will try to get the new theme available on the current wiki soonest
16:19:48 <dneary> Great, thanks
16:19:52 <quaid> #action quaid to load new theme on current wiki to start local testing using user preferences
16:20:12 <quaid> I've got some higher priority items today/for the week, but I should be able to squeeze it in somewhere
16:20:14 <dneary> quaid, That sounds very reasonable.
16:22:38 <mburns> ok, anything else
16:22:39 <mburns> ?
16:22:45 * mburns will end in 30 sec
16:28:48 <quaid> heh, distracted mburns
16:28:55 <mburns> #endmeeting