14:13:08 #startmeeting oVirt Infra weekly sync 14:13:08 Meeting started Tue Sep 18 14:13:08 2012 UTC. The chair is quaid. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:13:08 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:13:19 #topic rollcall, agenda call 14:13:20 * RobertM here 14:13:26 probably would be less confusion without an open discussion about canceling it on the list 14:13:28 * sgordon here 14:13:45 oh, sorry 14:13:52 * quaid didn't see a discussion about cancelling 14:14:18 * RobertM doesn't see it either 14:14:19 oh, I think that was about cancelling the regular meeting 14:14:25 the one tomorrow 14:14:50 I'll read that thread, but I don't think it applies here?!? 14:15:58 ok, I'm getting the agenda page updated 14:16:18 proposal: we talk about hosting solutions today 14:18:09 14[[07Infrastructure team meetings14]]4 !10 02http://wiki.ovirt.org/w/index.php?diff=4479&oldid=4452&rcid=4589 5* 03Quaid 5* (+82) 10How about that for an agenda? 14:18:11 * Task tracking update 14:18:11 * Hosting 14:18:12 * Jenkins check-in 14:18:18 14:18:33 I'll wait a moment for additions, then move on 14:19:27 ok then 14:19:33 #topic Task tracking update 14:19:38 this is quick 14:19:50 last week mburns and I got me Admin access to the Trac instance at 14:19:54 http://fedorahosted.org/ovirt 14:20:09 and I'm going to tweak it to be an Infra team task tracker - adjust the fields, etc. 14:20:32 when I get the first round of changes done, I'll post about it to the list for comments, then finalize and we can write-up how to use the tool 14:20:48 it does require a Fedora account system (FAS) account to use 14:20:59 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ 14:21:40 * dneary is here 14:21:43 quaid, I think most people with have a FAS account. I know I do 14:22:19 well, I wouldn't presume very far there, but it's not really a barrier beyond any other "need an account" situation 14:22:30 ok, that's all I have on that right now 14:22:41 #action quaid to adjust fields in oVirt Trac to be useful to Infra team 14:23:13 #action quaid to post about initial Trac changes to infra@ovirt.org for feedback and finalization 14:23:23 ready to move on 14:23:30 #topic Hosting 14:23:40 RobertM: I've been distracted and haven' 14:23:45 haven't gone back to this topic 14:23:50 where do you think we are with it? 14:24:54 I am at a point where it isn't really workable. To find a server the meets are needs we are looking at $400 a month. 14:25:06 are=our 14:25:31 For that kind of money we could almost buy something used an colo it some place. 14:26:13 quaid, re FAS, it is only potentially an issue with a strong identification to another distro. 14:26:43 FAS is just a type of openid though right, really 14:27:07 but i guess the only openid accepted for trac 14:27:13 RobertM: that's capex and an ongoing hassle, I'd rather do the short term hosting 14:27:16 do we accept FAS in the gerrit openid login? 14:27:31 sgordon, Yes 14:27:40 That is why I have a FAS account. 14:28:06 sgordon: I know - just pointing out that in the same way that some GNOME people had an issue needing to create an account on identity.kde.org to register for the Desktop Summit a couple of years ago, some Ubuntu/OpenSuse/Debian people might have an issue creating an identity on a Fedora service to contribute to a project that's supposed to be distro agnostic 14:28:11 yeah 14:28:18 but if this is only for tracking infra workflow 14:28:22 i dont see it as a huge blocker 14:28:23 dneary: yeah, but fedorahosted is a temporary solution & we've certainly used e.g. Launchpad for oVirt already with similar results 14:28:29 Yeah - I'm not making a big thing of it 14:28:47 if we were requiring it for the mediawiki instance that would be different 14:28:49 re hosting... 14:28:55 sgordon: we may need to direct people to file tickets there, though, so it's more than just workflow - or we can choose not to use it that way 14:29:08 quaid, On the topic of hosting we are looking at 400 or more a month for deciated servers just for jenkins if you can get a budget like that approved I know of at least 1 hosting provider and I remember seeing 2 others in around the same price range. 14:29:09 do you need to login to file tickets 14:29:12 i thought it accept anon? 14:29:15 RobertM, Define what you mean by "hosting" for me, please? 14:29:15 *accepted 14:30:01 RobertM, To me, I thought it meant either leasing a server or leasing a VM 14:30:03 RobertM: ok, I can check in on that 14:30:42 dneary, Leasing a server with high IO aka raid 10 file system. 14:30:51 OK 14:32:02 so we have a weekly meeting that just moved back to this timeslot 14:32:15 and I didn't realize that until 15 min ago, meaning I'm a bit distracted all of a sudden 14:32:19 dneary too 14:32:26 (we = internal team @RHT) 14:32:37 You can get hosting much cheaper but it really falls apart with the need for good IO most Dedicated hosts want to give you a sata2 drive a small number will give you software raid but those with true hardware raid a few and far between with big price tags per month attached. 14:32:42 sgordon: I'll see if I can set tickets to anon, but we'll need email 14:32:58 RobertM: here's the question then 14:33:13 RobertM: if we're talking about e.g. 3 months max we'll need this host 14:33:30 RobertM: how much of a difference is RAID 10 here - could we make do well enough with just more CPU and RAM? 14:33:39 RobertM: if it's a big enough difference, I'll push for the budget 14:34:18 #info quaid talked with RHT IT last week about VMs for oVirt (and other projects); there are things happening very soon; am seeing if there is a box we can reuse for Jenkins soonest 14:35:48 My system at home is just sata2 and it was getting overwelmed with IO request on master just running the patch jobs. A better host would help with general Jenkins but running both the patch jobs and the build jobs will likely swamp anything less. 14:37:10 RobertM: ok 14:37:38 RobertM: did you send me direct URLs with the provider(s)? anything new to that list? 14:38:07 As for CPU and Ram. quad core with 8G of ram would be fine for a master. The bottle neck is all about the IO. 14:38:44 Something EC2 really sucks at. 14:39:35 RobertM: can you paste here some specific provider(s) solution pages? I'll use that in my budget-ask. 14:39:41 So moving a any dedicated host will see a major speed up. Just not sure a dedicated host with sata can handle adding the patch jobs 14:40:06 quaid, Let me check my notes. I will email something to infra 14:41:17 quaid, We might want to think about moving Gerrit sooner and that I would bet would be fine on straight sata. 14:42:26 RobertM: ok, cool 14:43:39 That can be had for around a hundred a month and that effect more people. 14:43:55 RobertM: ok, can you also include some solutions for that in the email? 14:44:07 quaid, Ok 14:44:36 RobertM: I'm fairly certain that we'll be able to move off to e.g. RHT provided hosts in a few months, so I am more comfortable asking for ~$2K to get us there than if it were open-ended 14:45:52 quaid, I think the really import low hanging fruit is gerrit since that box seems to be having the most issues and a lot more people are using it. 14:50:15 RobertM: ok, we can pick that hosting solution and move forward immediately, I think; we'll do that under the existing budget approval, then get the larger amount OK'd 14:51:29 quaid, How many quoto's do we need? 14:58:48 RobertM: 2 or 3? 14:59:28 quaid, OK I will try and slice out some time to get that finished. Day Job has been sucking up a lot of my time that last few weeks. 15:04:13 RobertM: I hear ya 15:04:26 ok, I'm going to close the meeting unless you want to say anything about Jenkins? 15:04:33 #topic Jenkins anything 15:04:44 Nope nothing has changed regarding Jenkins :( 15:21:12 * ewoud reads backlog 15:27:44 quaid: hetzner seems to have no minimum contract period and a 30 day cancellation period; not that expensive either 15:28:19 and some friends have a server there and happy 15:29:32 ewoud: ok, can you reply to RobertM's thread with that? 15:29:36 * quaid closes this overdue closing 15:29:39 #endmeeting