15:00:41 <rbergeron> #startmeeting oVirt Weekly Sync Meeting 15:00:41 <ovirtbot> Meeting started Wed Nov 23 15:00:41 2011 UTC. The chair is rbergeron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:41 <ovirtbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:54 <rbergeron> #meetingname oVirt Weekly Sync Meeting 15:00:54 <ovirtbot> The meeting name has been set to 'ovirt_weekly_sync_meeting' 15:00:58 <jumper45> karamatronic - gratz! 15:01:01 <rbergeron> #topic Anyone here? :) 15:01:06 * aglitke is here 15:01:09 * rbergeron looks around for participants 15:01:23 <rbergeron> hey aglitke :) 15:01:35 * yzaslavs is here 15:01:44 * jumper45 is here 15:01:57 * sgordon is here 15:02:03 <gargya> is here 15:02:07 * masayag is here 15:02:08 * karmatronic is here 15:02:24 <rbergeron> Wow. Very nice :) 15:02:36 * itamar1 in 15:02:39 * rgolan is here 15:03:04 <itamar1> rbergeron - they are here still on the engine-core weekly meeting (over intercall)... 15:03:21 * jumper45 doubling up on meetings!! 15:03:22 <rbergeron> #info aglitke, yzaslavs, jumper45, sgordon, gargya, masayag, karmatronic, itamar1, rgolan are here 15:03:25 <rbergeron> ;) 15:03:34 <rbergeron> itamar1: ahh 15:03:49 <itamar1> rbergeron - just ending now 15:03:57 <rbergeron> okay, well, i'll get started, and we'll see who comes :) 15:03:59 <rbergeron> itamar1: thanks 15:04:09 <rbergeron> #topic Today's Agenda 15:04:43 <rbergeron> A few things on today's agenda that I put in, and feel free to pipe up if you have something: 15:05:13 <rbergeron> #info Press release status, Upcoming Event planning, First release/release date feedback, ftp/repo setup status, <your item here> are on the agenda for today. 15:05:28 <rbergeron> Anyone else? :) 15:05:52 <rbergeron> Okay, I'll move ahead - it sounds like people may be filtering in slowly 15:06:00 * oschreib1 is here 15:06:02 <rbergeron> Also, it's turkey week here in teh US, so I think a lot of folks are out. 15:06:06 <jumper45> core meeting just ended 15:06:25 <rbergeron> #info oschreib1 is present 15:06:30 <rbergeron> #topic Press release status 15:07:14 <rbergeron> #info Robyn heard back from Kerri this morning - we are still waiting on press release approval from Intel and Cisco at this point. 15:07:51 <rbergeron> So she's still pursuing that, and I'm hoping she'll have something early next week. This week is kind of a bad week for getting things done here which require chains of approval because inevitably someone is out all week. :\ 15:08:03 <rbergeron> Also, to answer Ryan's question from last week... 15:08:20 <rbergeron> #info When we do have a Final Draft that has been approved by everyone, we'll send it out to the board list for everyone's information. 15:08:42 <rbergeron> #info rbergeron to respond on-list to Ryan's question from last week re: getting to see the final draft. 15:08:50 <rbergeron> I think that wraps that up. Any questions? 15:09:00 * rbergeron will move on, then 15:09:07 <rbergeron> #topic Upcoming Event Planning 15:09:31 <rbergeron> #info Robyn looked into getting a table at FOSDEM, and we can do that, but we need volunteers who are willing to booth all week. 15:09:52 <rbergeron> Does anyone else have any event stuff they want to talk about? 15:10:07 <rbergeron> Meetups, conferences, etc? :) 15:10:58 <rbergeron> nothing, nothing? 15:11:06 <aglitke> none for me 15:11:12 <gargya> i'll be talking about oVirt at a cloud computing conference in darmstadt, germany next week 15:11:24 <rbergeron> gargya: Awesome. Do you have everything you need for that? 15:11:31 <gargya> yes 15:11:49 <itamar1> we're looking at FOSDEM 15:11:56 <rbergeron> itamar1: from what angle? 15:11:57 <gargya> i have the ovirt part "embedded" in a larger present 15:12:12 <gargya> managing kvm with open source and ibm poducts 15:12:19 <aglitke> Do we have a repo of oVirt presentations for this purpose? 15:12:22 <gargya> products 15:12:32 <itamar1> rbergeron: still trying to figure out 15:12:34 <rbergeron> #info Tony Gargya (IBM) talking about oVirt in a larger presentation at a cloud computing conf. in germany next week 15:12:41 <rbergeron> itamar1: it's too late for presentations, but I can get a table still 15:12:51 <aglitke> I haven't found the overview one (from the workshop) yet 15:12:52 <rbergeron> itamar1: unless someone submitted a preso before the deadline 15:13:06 <rbergeron> aglitke: I'll see if I can find that today and send that to the list. I'm not sure who has it 15:13:19 <aglitke> rbergeron, thanks! 15:13:19 <itamar1> rbergeron: they are checking for session. looking at devel rooms. 15:13:21 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to track down the overview presentation from the oVirt workshop and send to list 15:13:47 <rbergeron> itamar1: cool, can you keep us up to date on how that goes? 15:13:53 <itamar1> rbergeron: no preso prior to deadline - didn't hear about it till too late. 15:14:01 <rbergeron> #info itamar1 looking into FOSDEM re: sessions, looking at devel rooms 15:14:21 <rbergeron> aglitke: I know we linked some of the presentations into the worshop wiki page, but not sure if that's one of them. 15:14:39 <aglitke> Last time I checked it was not there 15:14:45 <aglitke> Seemed only about half were 15:14:48 <rbergeron> aglitke: okay. I'll see what I can find 15:14:59 <aglitke> perfect 15:15:03 <gargya> BTW, the ovirt workshop wiki is currently also missing Livnats pres on the ovirt engine 15:15:08 <itamar1> rbergeron: also considering hosting people in TLV for hands-on lab/help/feature development/design/brainstorming/etc in february with the devel team if thre is interest from other parties to come over for a week with a group of the maintainers 15:15:17 <rbergeron> aglitke: would you like to send mail to the list asking people to add their presentations if they haven't done so, and add in the wiki link? :) it would be nice to have them all there 15:15:40 <rbergeron> itamar1: oh, wow. Do you know when exactly, or still looking into it? 15:16:01 <rbergeron> itamar1: I know we're also doing the RHT Dev Conf in Brno in Feb. 15:16:08 <aglitke> #action aglitke to send an email to the list to request remaining oVirt workshop presentations 15:16:27 <rbergeron> #info itamar1 also looking into hosting people in TLV for hands-on lab/help/feature dev/design/brainstorming in feb. with the devel team if there is interest 15:16:31 <rbergeron> #chair aglitke 15:16:31 <ovirtbot> Current chairs: aglitke rbergeron 15:16:34 <aglitke> rbergeron, which list is most appropriate? 15:16:48 <rbergeron> hit your up arrow, I'm not sure if it will take actions from a non-chair ;) 15:16:51 <aglitke> #action aglitke to send an email to the list to request remaining oVirt workshop presentations 15:17:00 <rbergeron> thank you, sir! 15:17:24 <rbergeron> itamar1: keep us up to date, i'm sure people would be interested in that 15:17:49 <rbergeron> aglitke: I'm not sure about which list, TBH - maybe hit project-planning and board, since a lot of project-planning people were at theh conference 15:18:00 <rbergeron> they should all be on the board list by now but just in case :) 15:18:02 <aglitke> alright, will do 15:18:07 <rbergeron> coolio, thanks 15:18:20 <rbergeron> anything else in events-land? 15:18:22 <itamar1> rbergeron: we can decide on the date to not conflict. will help to understand if people are interested, and any global national holidays to take into consideration date wise 15:19:11 <rbergeron> gargya: let us know how your presentation goes - feedback, questions, etc. so we can try and take those things into account for future presentation-givers :) 15:19:21 <rbergeron> itamar1: sounds good 15:19:51 <gargya> sure 15:20:01 <rbergeron> #topic Moving towards release 15:20:09 <rbergeron> I know we're making progress towards having a release manager. 15:20:19 <rbergeron> Is that official yet, or still in the works? 15:21:14 <rbergeron> I also know we're still waiting to hear back on potential release dates and readiness from some companies. 15:21:21 <rbergeron> Packaging and all that jazz. 15:21:30 * rbergeron looks around for comments, questions, fires 15:22:37 <rbergeron> Nada? 15:22:51 <rbergeron> #info No updates on progress here, will look for more next week. 15:22:52 <oschreib> rbergeron: amm, so when will we decide on the release manager? 15:23:16 <rbergeron> oschreib: well, that's the answer I was looking for ;) I know there's been a nomination, but not sure how the rest of that process will proceed. 15:23:57 <oschreib> I guess we should decide about that. AFAIK I'm the only nominee, lol 15:24:00 <jumper45> what is the rest of the process? 15:24:13 <rbergeron> oschreib: I think you are ;) 15:24:34 <rbergeron> jumper45: not sure. Maybe someone should ask in a mail to the arch list? :) 15:24:45 * rbergeron looks around for volunteers to wrangle wrapping that up... 15:25:06 <rbergeron> or pushing towards a "next step" .... 15:25:15 <rbergeron> otherwise I'll send the email... ;) 15:25:17 <itamar1> rbergeron - ofer was suggested as release manager 15:25:53 <rbergeron> itamar1: Yup. But how do we make that official? Do we need to vote, or does the board need to vote, or do we need a date by which people should nominate, etc? 15:26:31 <itamar1> if there is only one candidate, i don't see a need for a vote? 15:26:45 <itamar1> less someone will object by say next week 15:26:51 <rbergeron> #info Ofer Schreiber is the only nominee right now. 15:26:54 <rbergeron> I think that sounds reasonable. 15:27:01 <rbergeron> By, say, prior to this meeting next week? 15:27:07 <itamar1> yes 15:27:09 * rbergeron looks around for nodding heads 15:27:15 * jumper45 nods 15:27:21 <itamar1> for rpms - ronen sent an email with links to an rpm based install guide. so no need to compile, build, etc. 15:27:45 <itamar1> it is still a moving target, but it should be easier to consume than the devel guideline 15:28:08 <itamar1> rpms include "jboss 5 as for ovirt in rpm form", vdsm, engine-core, webadmin, etc. 15:28:26 <rbergeron> #agreed Any additional candidates for release mgr should step forward prior to this meeting next week, will agree on release manager and announce at next week's meeting. 15:28:58 <rbergeron> #info re: releases: for rpms - ronen sent an email with links to an rpm based install guide. so no need to compile, build, etc. it is still a moving target, but it should be easier to consume than the devel guideline. rpms include "jboss 5 as for ovirt in rpm form", vdsm, engine-core, webadmin, etc. 15:29:15 <jumper45> should sub-project managers be nominated by then as well? Or does that come later? 15:30:24 <rbergeron> jumper45: not sure. I would expect that would come later, or at least, following this. 15:31:00 * rbergeron looks around for other comments/questions on this topic before moving onwards 15:31:30 <rbergeron> #topic FTP and Repository setup status 15:31:30 <itamar1> rbergeron - each subproject maintainers group need to provide release manager with their contact person 15:31:37 <rbergeron> #undo 15:31:37 <ovirtbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x910958c> 15:31:52 <rbergeron> #info each subproject maintainer gropu should provide release manager with their main contact person 15:32:15 <rbergeron> itamar1: should that person be named on each subproject's wiki page, as well? or at least on a release contacts wiki page? 15:32:27 <rbergeron> Or let the release manager decide? :) 15:32:40 <itamar1> let's not make subprojecs page an active wiki - a release wiki can have them 15:32:54 <itamar1> release page on the wiki, per release 15:33:04 <oschreib> itamar1: what is actually a sub-project? mom? ovirt-config? 15:33:25 <itamar1> http://www.ovirt.org/project/subprojects/ 15:33:38 <itamar1> mom I'm not sure will be ready for the first version 15:34:07 <rbergeron> #info release manager and subproject manager/contacts should be listed on a release wiki page, per release 15:34:10 <itamar1> as for others, each group should say "I'm ready on master / release branch", etc. 15:34:22 <itamar1> or "will be ready for the relevant date, per planning phase" 15:34:41 <oschreib> ok, thanks for clarification 15:35:06 <itamar1> doesn't matter if they are on same git or not - they need to sync to a reasonable stable state, then cherry pick for decent stability/maturity near release freeze 15:35:12 <itamar1> etc 15:35:48 <aglitke> correct on MOM... I am still working on vdsm integration. 15:36:55 * rbergeron nods 15:37:12 <rbergeron> okay, anytihng else? /me will move on otherwise.... 15:38:54 <rbergeron> #topic FTP and Repository setup status 15:39:10 * rbergeron isn't quite sure where this is. itamar1: do you know offhand? 15:39:18 <sgordon> well, what we discussed seemed to be working? 15:39:40 <sgordon> not sure it is accessible via ftp yet though 15:40:00 <oschreib> rbergeron: I guess it's about the "releases" directory on ovirt.org 15:40:07 <itamar1> a sec 15:40:20 <sgordon> http://ovirt.org/releases/ 15:40:26 <itamar1> http://www.ovirt.org/wiki/Installing_ovirt-engine_from_rpm 15:40:33 <sgordon> the only thing is that 0.0.1_0001-0/ in the base directory 15:40:34 <itamar1> covers: 15:40:35 <itamar1> wget http://www.ovirt.org/releases/nightly/fedora/16/ovirt-engine.repo -P /etc/yum.repos.d/ 15:40:39 <sgordon> should probably be cleaned up 15:40:57 <oschreib> sgordon: true 15:40:59 <itamar1> sgordon - that's on purpose till the rpm is more than a scratch one 15:41:08 * oschreib will erase that directory in a sec 15:41:12 <sgordon> heh, but isnt it under nightlies 15:41:14 <rbergeron> I think that last week quaid was also going to ask the other distro folks to comment on repo setup details. 15:41:16 <sgordon> as per the instructions you just pasted 15:41:18 <itamar1> right 15:41:27 <sgordon> so why do we still need the top level one 15:41:44 <itamar1> i agreed with "right"... 15:41:59 <sgordon> ok, i thought you said it was on purpose 15:42:00 <sgordon> anyway 15:42:04 <oschreib> sgordon: done 15:42:08 <itamar1> and 15:42:08 <itamar1> http://www.ovirt.org/wiki/Installing_VDSM_from_rpm 15:42:16 <sgordon> who was actioning making an ovirt-release rpm to install the repo file? i know it was talked about 15:42:29 <sgordon> if the answer is nobody that seems like something i could do 15:42:47 <rangluster> why is it necessary? 15:42:49 <itamar1> sgordon - i think they went with a wget for the repo file instead of an rpm -i for an rpm doing the same 15:42:54 <sgordon> it's not *necessary* 15:43:03 <sgordon> but it's the way it's generally done and it's pretty easy to do 15:43:07 <rangluster> if the user will need to run "wget" anyway. what is the difference? 15:43:33 <sgordon> like i said 15:43:36 <sgordon> it's convention 15:44:03 <rangluster> could you please supply examples for projects that use this convention? 15:44:08 <sgordon> Fedora 15:44:20 <sgordon> it's also nice if you ever need to change the repo file for some reason 15:44:53 <rangluster> in order for it to be streamlined we'll need that rpm to be in Fedora's repository 15:45:18 <rangluster> until it is the case, its just another RPM the user will need to install. but if it'll make you happy, i have no objection 15:45:27 <sgordon> ... 15:45:27 <ovirtbot> sgordon: Error: ".." is not a valid command. 15:45:44 <sgordon> i dont see what the problem is, im just saying that is the way new repository files are generally distributed 15:45:53 <sgordon> fedora, rpmfusion, adobe's stuff, etc 15:47:30 <rangluster> sgordon: do you wish to create the said RPM or should i publish it? 15:47:38 <sgordon> i am happy to do it 15:48:28 <rangluster> sgordon: k, where will you place it? where should the spec file for the rpm reside? 15:48:51 <rbergeron> #action sgordon to make an ovirt-release rpm to install the repo file 15:49:31 <rbergeron> sgordon: if you don't know the answers yet, you might want to think about posting your thoughts on it to the mailing list (arch, I suppose) 15:49:37 <sgordon> i will 15:49:40 <sgordon> also i checked my logs 15:49:47 <sgordon> it was quaid who brought it up in a previous meeting 15:50:01 <rbergeron> #action sgordon to take discussion re: ovirt-release rpm to mailing list, inc. where it will go, where should the spec file for rpm reside 15:51:32 <rbergeron> Okay. Anything else on this topic? 15:51:34 <rbergeron> sgordon: yeah, i think it was 15:51:59 <rbergeron> well, i know it was, but I wasn't sure of the whole context from the minutes alone, and juggling typing here and reading old logs is Hard :) 15:52:16 <sgordon> yeah it's ok, it is not a particularly complicated task anyway 15:52:20 * rbergeron nods 15:52:21 <sgordon> so i will just check he hasn't done it 15:52:28 <sgordon> and if he hasn't then i will 15:52:36 <rbergeron> #topic Any other topics for today? 15:52:45 <sgordon> yeah i had one action from last week 15:52:47 * rbergeron looks around for anything else that anyone wants to bring up before we close up. 15:52:49 <sgordon> which was the mailing list moderators 15:52:50 <rbergeron> sure, go for it 15:52:52 * rbergeron nods 15:52:57 <rbergeron> #topic Mailing list moderators 15:53:01 <rbergeron> #chair sgordon 15:53:01 <ovirtbot> Current chairs: aglitke rbergeron sgordon 15:53:04 <sgordon> so the two responses i got were Ayal for the arch list 15:53:14 <sgordon> and Omer for the engine-devel list 15:53:23 <sgordon> and i myself would be happy to help mod the users list 15:53:47 <sgordon> so barring objections i just think we need whoever is the admin for those lists to add them as moderators? 15:53:55 <rbergeron> Sure. 15:53:57 <itamar1> moderator is 99% about accepting emails from non members and making them members + auto discarding emails from spam 15:53:57 <sgordon> if everyone is happy with that i will send the request to infra@ 15:54:07 <sgordon> yeah i know :) 15:54:07 <rbergeron> sgordon: I think that sounds dandy. 15:54:20 <itamar1> question 15:54:26 <rbergeron> #info We have a few people hwo have volunteered to help moderate 15:54:30 <rbergeron> yes? 15:54:38 <itamar1> is it possible to make multiple users admin, or must they share the admin password for the list? 15:54:50 <rbergeron> #action sgordon to mail the infrastructure list re: adding people to be admins 15:54:51 <sgordon> i think they have to share 15:55:00 <sgordon> but you moderators are a second tier 15:55:04 <sgordon> *your moderators 15:55:12 <rbergeron> itamar1: I think you can have multiple people moderating/approving emails 15:55:19 <sgordon> yeap 15:55:21 <rbergeron> list owners 15:56:03 <sgordon> a moderator cant do *everything* the list admin can 15:56:13 <sgordon> mostly they can just approve/dump emails in the moderation queue 15:56:13 <rbergeron> the admin can add more moderators, though. ;) 15:56:20 <sgordon> and add people to the white and black lists 15:56:24 <sgordon> if i recall correctly 15:56:31 <itamar1> please add to a wiki how to add a moderator then please. thanks 15:56:32 <rbergeron> yup, I think that's correct. 15:56:52 <sgordon> ok, ovirt.org is just using mailman right? 15:56:57 <rbergeron> sgordon: yup 15:56:59 <oschreib> yep 15:57:00 <sgordon> coolies 15:57:22 <rbergeron> #action quaid to add info to wiki on how to add a moderator to a mailing list 15:57:38 <rbergeron> itamar1: I assume you mean "what is the process to request additional moderators" and not "how to go in and physically add another moderator" 15:59:58 <rbergeron> okay, anything else? 16:00:05 * rbergeron lights the fuse for end of meeting 16:00:52 <rbergeron> Happy thanksgiving to the US folks, and ... happy a-few-days-with-less-email to everyone not in the US :) 16:00:57 <rbergeron> Thanks for coming today, everyone! 16:01:12 <rbergeron> #endmeeting