14:00:34 #startmeeting 14:00:34 Meeting started Tue Sep 11 14:00:34 2012 UTC. The chair is quaid. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:34 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:40 #meetingname oVirt Infra weekly 14:00:40 The meeting name has been set to 'ovirt_infra_weekly' 14:00:46 #topic Agenda & roll call 14:01:04 * RobertM here 14:01:20 http://wiki.ovirt.org/wiki/Infrastructure_team_meetings 14:01:33 for today we have: 14:01:35 * Hosting 14:01:35 * Task tracking 14:01:35 * Website updates 14:01:35 * Puppet status 14:01:37 * jenkins.ovirt.info 14:02:34 * quaid is here too :) 14:02:40 ewoud can't make it 14:02:56 well RobertM and I can make it a fast meeting :) 14:03:02 #topic Hosting 14:03:29 RobertM: should we schedule a few hours together on IRC to choose a hosting provider? 14:03:50 #info quaid meeting with Red Hat IT this week to talk about possible provided hosting 14:04:38 * eedri_ here 14:04:50 quaid, That works. 14:04:52 * eedri_ last meeting for before vacation... 14:05:18 * mburns late 14:05:48 np 14:05:55 RobertM: what is a good potential time for you? 14:06:31 quaid, With the exception of Tuesday at 11:00 AM I am flexable. 14:06:36 I could do 9 am EDT tomorrow, or something starting a few hours from now 14:06:37 heh 14:07:06 RobertM: how about 9 am EDT tomorrow for a few hours? 14:07:06 9:00 am tomorrow 14:07:40 #action RobertM and quaid to work on choosing a hosting provider on 12 Sep at 9 am EDT 14:07:52 oh, that goes through the oVirt meeting 14:08:11 well, we'll see where we are at that time of the day - pause or etc. 14:08:25 quaid, we can do a separate channel 14:08:28 yes 14:08:49 we could use Freenode :) 14:08:53 * quaid ducks 14:08:54 no irc meeting on thursday, afaik 14:09:29 right, well, I don't want to pass too much more time 14:09:30 but thursday is also like friday in tlv 14:09:50 yep 14:09:57 well.. not exactly,... 14:10:06 but lot of people work from home that day 14:10:14 or leave bit early 14:10:29 eedri_: the leave early and going into the weekend was the point... 14:10:34 But me an quaid are both inside the US :) 14:10:46 yea.. 14:10:49 ok, that's all I have on this topic today 14:11:11 i won't attend the next 3 weeks meeting .. i'll be on vacation OOO 14:11:35 holidays in israel.. 14:11:44 eedri_: good for you! I guess a few folks will be joining you eh? 14:12:11 quaid, well.. not sure about the dates, but we've got lots of jewish holidays this month 14:12:23 quaid, that land on working days (about time :)... 14:12:35 * quaid envious from the country with not many holidays 14:12:38 eedri, Is there a national holiday or this like labor day in the use everyone just like this timeframe to go on Vaction? 14:13:06 there is some national holidays ... and specificly this year it lands in mid-weeks 14:13:27 so lots of day off.. , since it's according to the jewish calendar, every year it can be on different dates 14:14:03 so lots of people take advantage of it to go on vacation and save on PTO days.. 14:14:36 ok, next topic :) 14:14:51 jenkins ? 14:15:11 well, not in order, but do you want to talk Jenkins right now? 14:16:06 just wanted to ask RobertM about the patch server, whats the status.. 14:16:13 but it can wait 14:16:24 ok, we'll move quickly 14:16:37 #topic Task tracking 14:16:58 just remind me, we're all Ok with taking over the fedorahosted.org/ovirt Trac instance, right? 14:17:32 quaid, Someone will have to show me how to use it but I don't see an issue using it. 14:20:54 ok, I know Trac and can tweak and train 14:21:14 mburns: can you get me admin there? My FAS account is (surprise!) quaid 14:21:28 quaid: just have to figure out how to do that, but yes 14:21:56 quaid, Well mine is rmiddle :) 14:23:15 #action mburns to get quaid admin on fedorahosted.org/trac 14:23:25 #undo 14:23:25 Removing item from minutes: 14:23:31 #action mburns to get quaid admin on fedorahosted.org/ovirt 14:23:52 #action quaid to tweak Trac, provide basic how-to steps for everyone to use for how Infra will use it 14:27:37 ok, moving along 14:27:50 #topic Website updates 14:28:02 I don't know if garrett_ is around and has anything to add 14:28:23 oh I'm here 14:28:24 sorry 14:28:27 #info Back-end website changes are still undecided 14:28:43 (was working on a MediaWiki theme for oVirt) 14:28:49 garrett_: I didn't warn ya you might be on the agenda, but we'll keep it on the agenda until we're done :) 14:28:56 (: 14:29:02 that sounds good 14:29:59 I still think getting ride of wordpress is a bad idea but I didn't see a tread come up on either infra or arch on the topic. 14:30:24 yeah, we're having a bit of a hard time getting the minds together via mailing list 14:30:55 RobertM: I gathered from last week your main objection is MediaWiki looking like MediaWiki; I think garrett_ intends to handle that objection, so you may find your concern is addressed. 14:31:26 whatever we do, I do not want the site to look like MediaWiki 14:31:39 that *might* mean going back to a WP-powered site + Wiki 14:31:45 but I'd rather have 1 site for everything 14:31:45 quaid, I haven't seen an example of mediawiki where the front page was changed to not look like mediawiki where there wern't issues. 14:31:53 so I'm trying to make MediaWiki work for everything right now 14:32:38 RobertM: that's not an answer :) 14:32:57 RobertM: but I gather you'll wait to see it to be convinced, that's understandable 14:33:47 #info Infra needs to be prepared for just one or multiple platforms being used for www.ovirt.org and wiki.ovirt.org 14:34:05 ok, nothing more here then, moving on ... 14:34:22 we lost ewoud so I'm going to leave Puppet discussion for the mailing list 14:34:28 we can move on to Jenkins, ok? 14:34:31 quaid, All the sites I was showing had issues. Mono project site if you go an look the news tab is broken. I have seen that before with sites that tweak the wiki. The problem is to make mediawiki not suck you have to do a lot of html but mediawiki is very good at using redirect and breaking links 14:34:50 ic 14:35:58 the mono project's website in its current state is not a great example, as it hasn't had someone maintaining the website so much over the past several years, so the functionality might be broken — I know the fonts, the look, and other details certainly are 14:36:27 we're not going to redo the site just to make it broken 14:36:39 and if there are issues, you are welcome to point them out and to also help fix them 14:36:46 but we'll try to not have issues 14:36:54 regardless of platform(s) 14:37:56 garrett_, I am thinking of 6 month and longer out and concerned about the maintainability of the site. 14:38:42 well, not even WP themes survive every upgrade 14:38:46 right ^^ 14:38:52 sites need to be maintained 14:39:12 and if there's 1 public facing site versus 2 or 3, then it's easier to maintain 14:39:18 #info Infra needs to coordinate back-end site maintenance with design 14:41:34 ok, now on to Jenkins 14:41:41 #topic Jenkins 14:41:55 eedri_: you had something for this topic? 14:42:30 quaid, well.. wanted to ask about what are the plans for jenkins.ovirt.info and how we should handle patch level jobs 14:42:38 jenkins.ovirt.org is running fine but we need to make sure we doing upgrade the underlining OS since Jenkins,ovirt.info is offline do to a java/jetty upgrade 14:42:59 quaid, before the server crashed, i think RobertM and i saw it was running with a very large backlog 14:43:08 we doing = we don't 14:43:55 RobertM, quaid i think that there were too many jobs running than the current slaves can handle 14:44:08 eedri, Correct. To run it we would really need about 40 ex 14:44:12 RobertM, so after jenkins.ovirt.info loads back, i suggest enabling only a small portion 14:44:19 RobertM, maybe 3-4 jobs only 14:44:25 RobertM, and letting it run for a week 14:44:38 RobertM, try to get a sense of how many jobs can run per slave 14:45:44 RobertM, maybe it's a good oppertunity to write a wiki on DRP for jenkins... 14:45:55 eedri, The jobs themselves really makes a diff. Once the DAO_unit test were fixed the two gwt jobs use a lot more resources compared to the rest. 14:45:56 RobertM, how to restore it from backup 14:46:30 RobertM, yea.. maybe we can run only one gwt job.. 14:47:06 RobertM, we can also try to run gwt jobs only on gwt patches.. 14:47:24 eedri, I am not sure I need to rebuild I just to role back the last round of updates. 14:47:28 RobertM, this can be done by monitoring only the 'frontend' folder 14:47:48 #chair RobertM eedri_ mburns 14:47:48 Current chairs: RobertM eedri_ mburns quaid 14:48:55 quaid, re hosting - do we have a timetable on when we expect a server to become available for Jenkins? 14:49:06 (sorry to revisit an old topic) 14:49:07 The biggest issue is time right now. I am knee deep in a project at the day job and just haven't had a lot of time to work on reverting the OS. Jenkins mailing list and IRC have been less them helpful 14:49:30 wow, reverting OS version is the only choice? ugh 14:49:53 RobertM, i wouldn't try reverting the os 14:49:58 dneary: if RobertM & I can find a good hosting solution tomorrow, we can get the bare iron available very soon 14:50:09 RobertM, i would just just to reintsall the os, or just yum update to latest 14:50:16 RobertM, then install a fresh jenkins 14:50:21 dneary: then it just becomes the timing of eedri_ and RobertM et al in setting it up 14:50:23 RobertM, and restore all the jobs 14:50:24 quaid, Reverting packages to a prior version. But finding what packages need reverted is the fun part. 14:50:44 quaid, With Israeli vacation time coming up, sounds like it's not realistically going to happen for about a month 14:51:03 i'll be avaliable only till sunday 14:51:09 quaid, What would prevent it happening as soon as eedri_ gets back from vacation? 14:51:11 after that 3 weeks without access 14:52:04 RobertM, did you try to deploy a new jenkins ? 14:52:05 dneary, If we can get the hosting building a new host and migrationing the jobs over want be an issue. 14:52:34 eedri, Not yet. Really need to plan some time. 14:52:37 RobertM, quaid, We have a standing hosting offer from NetApp - is that good enough for our needs? Or am I mixing things up? 14:53:10 dneary, What kind of hosting does NetApp provide? 14:53:17 (not trying to put pressure on you guys, just trying to fully understand what needs to be done & how long we can expect it to take) 14:53:50 RobertM, I don't recall the details - IIRC this was an offer on the board@ list when the problem of slow Jenkins came up 14:54:08 dneary, We need a server with the profile of a DB server to run Jenkins master on and another beefy server to run Gerrit on. 14:54:29 dneary: I've never heard of a hosting offer from NetApp 14:54:59 should definitely follow-up on that 14:55:21 dneary: do you want to contact Jon and see where that went? 14:58:28 If we can get a proper master for Jenkins a lot of our issue will go away since we could handle a lot more slaves. 14:58:48 right, either with a new for-pay host or with donated space 14:59:01 #action quaid to follow-up with Jon & NetApp about potential hosting offer 14:59:13 I think we've done our part here for the day :) 14:59:25 also, it's coming up on the hour and I'd like to try not to run over if we can 14:59:32 but if there is anything else ... 14:59:41 now is the time to bring it up, or use infra@ovirt.org 14:59:52 None from me 15:00:33 eedri, Have a nice New Year :) 15:00:48 rockin' 15:00:50 #endmeeting